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Posted by Mikko (193.234.247.50) on November 29, 2002 at 06:30:14:

In Reply to: Re: Pollution? Yeah! posted by Ryan (65.141.164.186) on November 29, 2002 at 03:10:36:

> People who drive SUVs in the United States live in the suburbs mostly. Metropolitan areas in the US are huge and because of this people put all kind of mileage on them just driving to work.

> Nobody bicycles or cross-country skis to work like they do in Finland. Transit in the US is pathetic. There is almost twice as much transit usage per person in Montreal and Toronto just to the north of us than in New York City. And there is twice as much transit usage per person in NYC as in Chicago, and there is twice as much transit usage per person in Chicago than in other large American cities. You get the picture.

> When you look at HOW MANY people in this country have SUVs, it doesn't even matter how far they are driven. It's still a major problem. But in this huge country with huge area cities, they are driven far. And the worst thing is that Americans don't look at other countries for solutions like they should. We'll have to destroy our environment and gas prices will have to be driven up to $5.00 a gallon before people start looking at using bikes and transit more. The force of historical inertia and American stubbornness is sad, really.

> Ryan

--Yes, but the original argument was "inexperienced drivers." How can someone who drives to work and back every day be an inexperienced driver and thus especially dangerous in traffic? That was the point I was making.

I think there are at least two major factors inhibiting the development of public transport in the US and those are the stereotypic views of those who use it and low local taxation. If people think that anyone using a bus can't either afford a car or can't drive one and the price of the whole system would has to be put in the ticket prices, it won't happen.

Finland is a bad example as European country in this respect, btw. Outside towns it's usually a long way anywhere and in most parts of the country you need to have a car. Denmark or the Netherlands would be a better example.

And I can honestly say that I don't know anyone who skiis to work! :D

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> > People who drive SUVs in the United States live in the suburbs mostly. Metropolitan areas in the US are huge and because of this people put all kind of mileage on them just driving to work. > > Nobody bicycles or cross-country skis to work like they do in Finland. Transit in the US is pathetic. There is almost twice as much transit usage per person in Montreal and Toronto just to the north of us than in New York City. And there is twice as much transit usage per person in NYC as in Chicago, and there is twice as much transit usage per person in Chicago than in other large American cities. You get the picture. > > When you look at HOW MANY people in this country have SUVs, it doesn't even matter how far they are driven. It's still a major problem. But in this huge country with huge area cities, they are driven far. And the worst thing is that Americans don't look at other countries for solutions like they should. We'll have to destroy our environment and gas prices will have to be driven up to $5.00 a gallon before people start looking at using bikes and transit more. The force of historical inertia and American stubbornness is sad, really. > > Ryan > --Yes, but the original argument was "inexperienced drivers." How can someone who drives to work and back every day be an inexperienced driver and thus especially dangerous in traffic? That was the point I was making. > I think there are at least two major factors inhibiting the development of public transport in the US and those are the stereotypic views of those who use it and low local taxation. If people think that anyone using a bus can't either afford a car or can't drive one and the price of the whole system would has to be put in the ticket prices, it won't happen. > Finland is a bad example as European country in this respect, btw. Outside towns it's usually a long way anywhere and in most parts of the country you need to have a car. Denmark or the Netherlands would be a better example. > And I can honestly say that I don't know anyone who skiis to work! :D

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