Re: Dr. John Oldhams book

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: : We find her also the key to my discussion with Dafyd regarding type 2. I label Oldham's PT-type called 'Dramatic Style'(histrionic) as E2 (thereby following the example of Claudio Naranjo): : Nice try. Unfortunately, Oldham's book does not describe the same types as the enneagram does. Why should it? : If you want to use Oldham's system, that's fine. But don't pretend that you're using the enneagram - come straight out and say that : you're using Oldham. : Twos are only histrionic when they are highly stressed (move to Eight) when the needs that they are denying surface. : : The Dramatic personality type: : : ? often seeks or demands reassurance, approval, or praise; : Not a Two. Twos are uncomfortable with praise. My grandmother, who is proactive (not a Nine) can't : stand to be photographed, let alone praised. : : ? is sexually seductive in appearance or behavior; : Fours? : : ? is very concerned with physical attractiveness; : Threes? Fours? : : ? expresses emotion with exaggeration; : FOURS : : ? is uncomfortable in situations in which he is not the center of attention; : Again, not a Two. Twos do not like to be the centre of attention. Even when a Two attracts someone's attention, : there's always a positive movement from the Two to the person that they're acting for. (It's not 'look at me' but : 'see, I'm looking at you.' Nines are lacking in that positive countermovement. : : ? displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions; : Any immature type, but especially immature Fours. : : ? is self-centered: actions being directed toward immediate satisfaction; has little tolerance for the frustration of delayed gratification; : Most immature types. Certainly not Two. (You agree that Twos are not directed towards immediate satisfaction.) : : ? has a style of speech that is impressionistic and lacking in detail. : Vague. : This is a rather negative portrait isn't it? : : Dafyd applies of the 'self-sacrificing style' when he when he's writing about the E2 character; which I label as E9: : Where did I say that? : : The Self-sacrificing personality type: : : ? chooses people and situations that lead to disappointment, failure, or mistreatment even when better options are clearly available; : Six? : : ? rejects or renders ineffective the attempts of others to help him; : Six? : : ? following positive personal events responds with depression, guilt, or a behavior that produces pain; : Six? : : ? incites angry or rejecting responses from others and then feels hurt, defeated, or humiliated; : Six? : : ? rejects opportunities for pleasure, or is reluctant to acknowledge enjoying himself; : One, Two, Six? : : ? fails to accomplish tasks crucial to his personal objectives despite demonstrated ability to do so; : SIX : : ? has little interest in or rejects people who consistently treat him well; : Four. : : ? engages in self-sacrifice that is unsolicited by the intended recipient of the sacrifice. : Two. : : But really this type seems to be a neurotic. The enneagram types are mostly neutral with regard to neurosis, hence the : use of the terms healthy/integrated and unhealthy/disintegrated. : : Another interesting type is the 'serious personality'which seems to be an E1 subtype: : : The Serious personality type: : : ? has a mood often dominated by dejection, gloominess, cheerlessness, joylessness, or unhappiness; : : ? has a self-concept which includes beliefs of inadequacy, worthlessness, and low self-esteem; : : ? is critical, blaming, and derogatory toward self; : : ? is brooding and given to worry; : : ? is negativistic, critical, and judgmental toward others; : : ? is pessimistic; : : ? is prone to feeling guilty and remorseful : Now this looks like a Six, doesn't it? : : These types are rather at a tangent from the enneagram types aren't they? As are the MBTI types. : That's assuming that they aren't bundles of traits that the researchers have found together because : they expected to find them together. If I understand correctly, people rate a certain value on each : type, and each type is roughly independent of the others, as opposed to the enneagram where people : have one type which is linked to the types on either side by motivation or focus of attention. : Dafyd

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