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Enneagram Movie Board Archive Re: As I was saying...Posted by pork ^(oo)^ on March 07, 2000 at 01:48:15: In Reply to: As I was saying... posted by MAverick on March 06, 2000 at 19:53:15: : Unlike the MBTI which provuides questions to determine individual either/or FUNCTIONS that together constitute a type, the Enneagram merely provides 9 hypothetical types that are not actual functions of the mind but are rather types used to decribe observed behavior. Aye, there's the rub. I don't know who told you that the Enneagram has anything whatsoever to do with "observed behavior," but these persons were obviously neophytes. Anyone who's gotten past the introductory amateur stage knows that the Enneagram has nothing whatsoever to do with observed behavior. Or perhaps you're referring to some interpretation of the Enneagram with which I'm unfamiliar. Or perhaps you've just skimmed the books very lightly. Or perhaps you've been reading only the flaky books. Ever hear of Naranjo? The Enneagram model I use is based on the nine passions combined with some triadic theory. Ancient, yes. But behavioral? Not in the least. Why does behaviorism insist upon soiling every discussion I hear about the system? Maybe it's a word game sorta thing - when you think "personality," you think observable traits. And thus, we're taken in. Though the way I see it, a basic passion, driving force, bias - call it whatever you like - represented as an Enneagram point can lead to any damn observable trait you can imagine. So... since one of the foundations of your convoluted argument has been exposed not only TO thin air, but AS thin air itself, I'm afraid that renders the rest of it useless. Now, go read Tom Condon's essay "The Trouble With Typing," and save the wordy, technical talk for the real Enneagram of "personality," not this "horoscope mag" sham imitation based on observed traits, abilities, personal qualities, ad nauseum. So long! pork
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