Re: Post Scriptum: the E4 way of drawing attention

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: : +++ Can Ana's style be compared to the flamboyant gay parades in Amsterdam and other cities in which they show off with weird erotic clothes? Eroticism as a means to escape from the dark feelings in your head to a state of imagined bliss? : : : : : Never seen it, but I guess this gay parade thing is like demostrating to the world who you are. : : : Like beeing indifferent to what people should mean about it. I would view : : : it more as a sixish phenomena that a fourish. Together we are strong or something like that. : : ++++ Here you make a point I've allways wanna put to the forum; in the gay scene there seem two enneatype categories over-represented; E4's (quiet gays) and E6's. Perhaps there is a relation between the intense need to have contacts for unconscious 'security' needs and the compulsion to attach yourself to any nice person around (dependent personality.) The flamboyant gay parades in Amsterdam are also a symptom of 'we' versus 'they' group thinking mode of E6's; the Amsterdam Gay Games is a good example. If this is true than gay-ism and nazi-ism have perhaps more in common than they would like to know? : It's easy to say things like that, and I think people should not need to read things like you are : nr... and not unlikely gay or lesbian because of that. That's taking : typing to a new low if you ask me. : But with that said, I am not saying you are wrong, holywood tend to be as : stereotying as you do. : : And I seem to stress the hell out of sixes by : the way. It's like often when I speak to sixes, I get these mistrusting : questions, look's, it's all uncomfortable, like they don't belive me. : When this happen I smile even more because I find it rather funny, and : things just wind up, like negative cirkel, more smile...more distrust... : I was in a meeting for some days ago, and this six kept asking all these : questions, they was all about things that could go wrong, and as soon : someone had explained why things did not had to go wrong, just : more questions arrived, I WAS nearly GOING CRAZY, but I managed to shut : up. I am somethimes impressed of myself in situations like that, not : only did I manage not to laught, but also managed to shut up. : I think that is a difference between six and seven. six think's about : all that could go wrong, and prepare for the worst, they lack the : thinking and intuision to see positive "solutions" to the questions , while a seven : "just know" that whatever happens it will go okay. And repress any : thinking like the six indulge in, because it disturbes the well being. : Like..."It cant go wrong". : Since we are talking of sixes, I think riso are right that they do : seem to introvert the feeling function, just as one extrovert's thinking, : so that could explain why you seems to be so negative about sixes. : : : : What she displays is more like a need of beeing evaluated, looked at, : : : admired, probably she are addicted to all the attension she get's, and : : : can't stop. It's probably not long until she is having sex live, just : : : for the kick of it. She probably first will do her boyfried felix, : : : then when the kick is over, she will eighter get in one more and make a bridge or : : : sandwitch, depending on the mood. What do you say about that Jan ? : : +++ Well, Andy it really doesn't interest me at all; can't help it. : I am not convinced. : : : Do you think I would buy cheap clothes if nobody saw it ? : : +++ this would be very uncommon behavior for an E7 like you! (a little narcissism is present in many E7's) : Cheap clothes that look expensive, actuaally for a couple of week's ago : I travelled to another country, to buy real cheap clothes, and a lot of other stuff. : Mostly food and snack. I does that every once in a while. : : : Or would you use a dress at your picture if you did not liked the : : : impression it gives ? : : +++ no; E1's are more image-oriented (good boy) than many people think; I would even use the word vain to denominate many E1 politicians. : : That's why the environment likes it when an E1 makes a mistake.... : But is it "good boy" to use a dress, isnt that mostly the bad guys that : use dress ? : I have only used dress only 3 or 4 times (my only one, a green one by the way) to keep some peace, and hate it. : : : About cars, Saab is not status car, Porche is for impotent men. : : : Just people who think they are better than others drive Saab...:) : : : The real stuff are a Ferrari, then a helicopter, then a private jetfly , : : : then climb mount everest, and you should be able to convince yourself : : : you are something, but unfortanatly it does not work. : : : Myself I would be happy driving a black corvette trough the desert of : : : Autralia. : : ++++ I know an E7 woman who is addicted to going to Australia; fusion cuisine; adventure etc! : I am very jelous of my father, he have visited all continent's many times, : and been more around than any other I know. : : : Tell me do you got a small flower in your office you make a joint from : : : every once in a while ? : : ++++ No; my Calvinist upbringing in conjuntion with my E1 basis style seems to prevent this....but I like French wine. And research shows its good for your health too (not an argument that would interest an E7.) I am sure however YOU would like the sensational seductions of Amsterdam!! : : ++++ Andy; tell me; I've seen many E7's whose outer bravado seemned to disappear when they were confronted with things like memories of a friend who died (emotional stuff); and then break out in tears very easily. This seems like a big contrast; perhaps its related to the bi-polar thing extreme E7's have? Do you recognize this 'sudden weeping' phenomenon with yourself (or with other E7's?) : It's funny that you call me an enneagram seven, but you are not the only : one, but I don't think I am so much of a seven. Actually I find typing myself, : not something I do, but I like others to type me funny, anyway I just want to say that if : someone tell me bad news, like once not so long ago my grandfather : told me of someone who had died, and I just had to laught, but I managed : to turn away so he did not see me. : Since I first heard about the enneagram, I havent improved a cent. That's : for sure, but i don't see the need of improwing anyway. : And yes I can get sudden emotional changes I can laught and suddenly burst : into tears, it's like a feeling of the heart : rising from it's place right up my to neck. This is actually like some kind : of extasy feeling that can in any kind of mood, but because my mood : change fast, it could be the start of the next song that would decide if : I would get this extasy feeling of joy or sadness. : I also start to cry when I read the eight, and four description, and : it's actually quite a emotional thrill to read those decription, : but I have only read riso's descriptions once so far, but I just : bought this two new book's so I am going to see if it have improved. : I can tell you that in the last 2 years I have not read a single book : at all, but I have read some enneagram stuff then. : : : : Jan

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