Re: To Anonymous & Jan

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: : : OK, I can see better now how avoidant could equal 4 as well as 6. : Yea, but I think avoidant is more "pure" when it's with 6, since it directly relates to the motivation - the need for security. The motivation for Four to find themselves and whatever is "missing" in them doesn't directly relate to being avoidant. I think the majority of avoidants/social anxiety people are Sixes, since Sixes are more common than Fours in our society, and from what I hear, a large number of people are avoidant. Just blind speculation but probably 70% of avoidants are Six, 25% Four, and maybe 5% whatever else. I don't think a Five would be an avoidant, they are usually schizoid instead. Actually the Five's motivation is to withdraw from people because they don't want them to be interfering with them, and that is completly schizoid instead of the avoidant's wish to connect with others. : : Well, the way I'd put it is that 6's are generally focused on "the : : group" in *some* way, but it can be in a negative way as well as a : : positive one. In my case, I'm very much a loner, but I'm a loner in : : the sense of being acutely aware of other people and what they're : : thinking and doing. Perhaps this is peculiar to social subtypes (I : : haven't figured out if I'm a social or self-preservation yet.) : I think you are a Self-Preservation subtype, like me. SP 6's tend to be the phobic, avoidant ones. Sexuals are the counterphobic, paranoid, aggressive ones. And socials tend to be the responsible, hard-working group-thinkers. Ignore what Riso says about the SP 6, because Six he is talking about is what Naranjo calls the "Prussian Soldier" type of Six. So not only do you got your phobic/counterphobics, but you have your prussians as well, and they're similar to ones in that they are responsible, hard-working, "normal American" types. : : I'm a semi-regular lurker. Why the pseudonym? I suppose because it's a : : public message board. I generally use my name on private mailing lists : : and prefer to stay anonymous on public sites. Perhaps it's unreasonable : : paranoia, but I feel safer that way. : LOL, you are a Six. : : Do you feel, as I do, that your counterphobic side is more "real" : : than your phobic? I have a constant sense of frustration that people : : who see my phobic side think I'm somebody I'm not. : No, not really, but it's a side I don't express in real life. For example, when I'm counterphobic I tend to be very aggressive, paranoid, and defensive. I really piss people off on the boards when I act that way. They all jump on my back when I do so. I become rude, insensitive, heartless. However, I think that's only my unhealthy counterphobia. My healthy counterphobia is probably like how I am now, when I'm self-revealing, relaxed, and talkative. It's all in the environment for me. If I feel secure, I can be myself. If I'm not, I'm phobic and hidden. : -Cory : : : : : -Cory

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