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Posted by Cory [nt] on April 05, 2000 at 22:11:45:

In Reply to: Re: Well, then again... posted by Dave Kelly on April 05, 2000 at 20:06:46:

: Thanks Cory, for considering my feelings. I could agree with you that her type is *either* Self-Confident or Sensitive. How about it?

: Dave

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: : Yea, I could see her as Sensitive. What we both notice is there's some kind of "mask" about her, that she's not who she really is, I say R3 Self-Confident, you say Sensitive. Then again, for ANYBODY to be successful in politics, don't they Have to wear a mask? This is why politicians are the most difficult of all people to type, since they are always projecting their "good image".

: : Hillary Clinton I have typed as Sensitive (close cousin of the Conscientious).

: : Avoidant and Obsessive-Compulsive are both anxiety disorders, I believe? Do you mean like that, or the fact that you designate OC as ENFJ and AV as INFJ?

: : What we see in the public Hillary, I think, is a counterphobic reaction to social anxiety, or social phobia.

: : What I see is a politician putting on "good behavior". It's all in how you read her actions.

: : : : : Individuals with the Sensitive personality style prefer the known to the unknown. They are comfortable with, even inspired by, habit, repetition, and routine.
: : : : : +++I think she's more dependent on her husband than her PR would have us believe. Perhaps that's why she hasn't left him throughout all those years- she prefers the devil she knows.

: : I think this could be the result of an R3 deception and pragmatism. The reason she could've been with him all this time because of power, right? Let's see how the couple fares after the election when Bill is out. If she divorces him, it's more evidence that she's an R3.

: :
: : : : : Sensitive individuals care deeply about what other people think of them.
: : : : : +++I do sense in Hillary a fear of negative evaluation and social rejection. Her superwoman posture is mostly a compensation for some hidden fear of inferiority.

: : Yea, but so do other types like Self-Confident, Inventive, etc. Self-consciousness is not exclusive to the Sensitive style. That, is one reason why I "see myself in all the types", since that seems to be a prevailing theme in many. I would say, however, my Main style is Sensitive, with many others in close support. I really don't have a strong predominate style.

: :
: : : : : They behave with deliberate discretion in their dealings with others. They do not make hasty judgments or jump in before they know what is appropriate.
: : : : : +++Hillary's got Hamlet's Syndrome - can't make a quick decision; her approach to running for the Senate is a good example.

: : Yes, and so do R3's. And besides, this is politics! Politicians aren't exactly impulsive and honest.

: : : : : Socially they take care to maintain a courteous, self-restrained demeanor.
: : : : : +++Hillary's the kind woman who's called a frigid "Snow Queen" in public but whose friends insist that in private with friends and family she's the most warn and friendly person you'd ever want to meet, just like the one Oldham has in his book in the Sensitive chapter.

: : Again, because of politics, and also because she can be an R3. However, an R3 is most likely to be opposite - warm and enjoyed on the outside, but hated and disliked by intimates who know them.

: : : : : They function best in scripted settings, vocationally and socially: when they know precisely what is expected of them, how they are supposed to relate to others, and what they are expected to say.
: : : : : +++Anyone who's watched her these last eight years can see that's this is true about Hillary.

: : Could be just protecting her image.

: : : : : Sensitive men and women are not quick to share their innermost thoughts and feelings with others, even those they know well.
: : : : : +++She's a very private person. Throughout the Whitewater and other investigations we heard a number of times that the First Lady was surprised and appalled by the assault on her personal privacy that she experienced since coming to Washington. She would have liked to have imposed the same wall of privacy for herself, that she imposed upon the press for her daughter. And this was her basic defense of her husband in Monicagate - that it was a private matter between her and her husband.

: : And a generally outgoing person would Welcome a media probe in their personal life? Not only is this not exclusive to Sensitives, and not only to Introverts, but to mostly everybody! Even the most extraverted celebrities get ticked off when paparazzi intrude on their privacy.

: : : : : All in all, I think that she's much more likely to be the Senstive type rather than the Conscientious.

: : I would type her as a Self-Confident with some Conscientious, and if it makes you feel better, some Sensitive towards the top.

: : It's good that you see through her persona though!

: : -Cory

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: : Thanks Cory, for considering my feelings. I could agree with you that her type is *either* Self-Confident or Sensitive. How about it? : : Dave : : : : : Yea, I could see her as Sensitive. What we both notice is there's some kind of "mask" about her, that she's not who she really is, I say R3 Self-Confident, you say Sensitive. Then again, for ANYBODY to be successful in politics, don't they Have to wear a mask? This is why politicians are the most difficult of all people to type, since they are always projecting their "good image". : : : Hillary Clinton I have typed as Sensitive (close cousin of the Conscientious). : : : Avoidant and Obsessive-Compulsive are both anxiety disorders, I believe? Do you mean like that, or the fact that you designate OC as ENFJ and AV as INFJ? : : : What we see in the public Hillary, I think, is a counterphobic reaction to social anxiety, or social phobia. : : : What I see is a politician putting on "good behavior". It's all in how you read her actions. : : : : : : Individuals with the Sensitive personality style prefer the known to the unknown. They are comfortable with, even inspired by, habit, repetition, and routine. : : : : : : +++I think she's more dependent on her husband than her PR would have us believe. Perhaps that's why she hasn't left him throughout all those years- she prefers the devil she knows. : : : I think this could be the result of an R3 deception and pragmatism. The reason she could've been with him all this time because of power, right? Let's see how the couple fares after the election when Bill is out. If she divorces him, it's more evidence that she's an R3. : : : : : : : : : Sensitive individuals care deeply about what other people think of them. : : : : : : +++I do sense in Hillary a fear of negative evaluation and social rejection. Her superwoman posture is mostly a compensation for some hidden fear of inferiority. : : : Yea, but so do other types like Self-Confident, Inventive, etc. Self-consciousness is not exclusive to the Sensitive style. That, is one reason why I "see myself in all the types", since that seems to be a prevailing theme in many. I would say, however, my Main style is Sensitive, with many others in close support. I really don't have a strong predominate style. : : : : : : : : : They behave with deliberate discretion in their dealings with others. They do not make hasty judgments or jump in before they know what is appropriate. : : : : : : +++Hillary's got Hamlet's Syndrome - can't make a quick decision; her approach to running for the Senate is a good example. : : : Yes, and so do R3's. And besides, this is politics! Politicians aren't exactly impulsive and honest. : : : : : : Socially they take care to maintain a courteous, self-restrained demeanor. : : : : : : +++Hillary's the kind woman who's called a frigid "Snow Queen" in public but whose friends insist that in private with friends and family she's the most warn and friendly person you'd ever want to meet, just like the one Oldham has in his book in the Sensitive chapter. : : : Again, because of politics, and also because she can be an R3. However, an R3 is most likely to be opposite - warm and enjoyed on the outside, but hated and disliked by intimates who know them. : : : : : : They function best in scripted settings, vocationally and socially: when they know precisely what is expected of them, how they are supposed to relate to others, and what they are expected to say. : : : : : : +++Anyone who's watched her these last eight years can see that's this is true about Hillary. : : : Could be just protecting her image. : : : : : : Sensitive men and women are not quick to share their innermost thoughts and feelings with others, even those they know well. : : : : : : +++She's a very private person. Throughout the Whitewater and other investigations we heard a number of times that the First Lady was surprised and appalled by the assault on her personal privacy that she experienced since coming to Washington. She would have liked to have imposed the same wall of privacy for herself, that she imposed upon the press for her daughter. And this was her basic defense of her husband in Monicagate - that it was a private matter between her and her husband. : : : And a generally outgoing person would Welcome a media probe in their personal life? Not only is this not exclusive to Sensitives, and not only to Introverts, but to mostly everybody! Even the most extraverted celebrities get ticked off when paparazzi intrude on their privacy. : : : : : : All in all, I think that she's much more likely to be the Senstive type rather than the Conscientious. : : : I would type her as a Self-Confident with some Conscientious, and if it makes you feel better, some Sensitive towards the top. : : : It's good that you see through her persona though! : : : -Cory

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