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Re: Hillary Clinton, Al Gore

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Posted by Dave Kelly on April 06, 2000 at 10:35:20:

In Reply to: Re: Hillary Clinton, Al Gore posted by Jan den Breejen on April 06, 2000 at 06:05:24:

The Sensitive person can be conscientious, too. And I think Hillary is. I have the results of a Big Five study comparing it with the MBTI. The 4 MBTI "preferences" correlate well with 4 of the Big Five factors, including the "J" and Conscientiousness. The way I have it, the Sensitive INFJ would score positive for the Conscientiousness factor. In a more simplistic way Keirsey (Portraits of Temperament) separates the MBTI 16 into eight groups of 2 by E/I. So ENFJ and INFJ are most alike when looked at in that way. Then as Cory mentioned The DSM groups The Avoidant and the Obssesive-Compulsive in the "anxious cluster."

I don't quite see how you're tying in the Big Five Conscientious scale with counterphobia but would be very interested in hearing about it.

Dave

: : Al Gore is very Conscientious. Hillary Clinton I have typed as Sensitive (close cousin of the Conscientious). What we see in the public Hillary, I think, is a counterphobic reaction to social anxiety, or social phobia. She always has such a stiff, stricken look. When she speaks before a group, she only pretends to make eye contact; her eyes are going everywhere, up and off to the right, then off to the left, then down and around, but never catching anyone else's eyes.

: +++ That can happen with a Conscientious Style Person too. I tend to do this too, but match with the main scientific Big Five scores of Conscientiousness as defined by DSMIV.
: Jan

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: The Sensitive person can be conscientious, too. And I think Hillary is. I have the results of a Big Five study comparing it with the MBTI. The 4 MBTI "preferences" correlate well with 4 of the Big Five factors, including the "J" and Conscientiousness. The way I have it, the Sensitive INFJ would score positive for the Conscientiousness factor. In a more simplistic way Keirsey (Portraits of Temperament) separates the MBTI 16 into eight groups of 2 by E/I. So ENFJ and INFJ are most alike when looked at in that way. Then as Cory mentioned The DSM groups The Avoidant and the Obssesive-Compulsive in the "anxious cluster." : I don't quite see how you're tying in the Big Five Conscientious scale with counterphobia but would be very interested in hearing about it. : Dave : : : : Al Gore is very Conscientious. Hillary Clinton I have typed as Sensitive (close cousin of the Conscientious). What we see in the public Hillary, I think, is a counterphobic reaction to social anxiety, or social phobia. She always has such a stiff, stricken look. When she speaks before a group, she only pretends to make eye contact; her eyes are going everywhere, up and off to the right, then off to the left, then down and around, but never catching anyone else's eyes. : : +++ That can happen with a Conscientious Style Person too. I tend to do this too, but match with the main scientific Big Five scores of Conscientiousness as defined by DSMIV. : : Jan

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