Re: Ted Bundy & O.J. Simpson - two of a kind

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: I had a 3w2 supervisor who had a history of workplace misconduct and : deceit. He was an absolute ham who needed constant attention from : others. Approving attention that is. He had a great memory : for facts and details from the past. He acted spontanously in the moment at every : opportunity. He was horrible at long term planning, even one : hour before. : He was very nervous. He could not speak calmly, he always : displayed exagerated body language and facial contortions. He would : engineer problems which only he could 'find', critizize people for , then : give them a solution. All so he could be a little hero. : There were times when he would zone out like a nine on tranquilizers. : For support he would turn to three people, a 6w7 isfj fat lady, : 9w8 intp and 6w5 intj. : I really hated this guy and would wish he crashed driving to : work. Fortunetly his female 1w2 estj supervisor hated him worse : and forced him to resign. : Another 3w4 and esfj - I relate much better with 3w4 then 3w2. : He tries very hard, maybe too hard to impress others. If you : dont respond favorably a subtle to real look of barely contained hostility creeps over : his face. He is a good guy, though. : Nobody is perfect. I will agree, that unhealthy threes are : very low on confidence inside, yet work like crazy to mask it : on the outside. : Ted Bundy & O.J. Simpson - two of a kind : : Vengeful anger triggered by a feeling of humiliation: cracks in the narcissistic mask. : : Very interesting is that when Bundy was tested psychologically; no 'disorder' could be found with him. However he was a master in wearing the mask of the Tom Cruise like sociable guy and there is certainly one DSMIV style applicable. When you read Oldham's text on the Self Confident personality; you can see that in reality its typical arrogant/narcissistic behavior is an over-compensation for insecurity. Bundy was a boy who was not popular at school and even bullied. : : He was clever however and succeeded in adapting to the generally accepted image of 'all american' person. He loved playing games with leaking 'evidence' for outsmarting the police; he needed a challenge and was a master in conning his victims into their death. The most interesting fact however is that his killing instincts were activated by a rejection of a woman he loved. Dr. Oldham describes such a case in his book of a Self Confident Style university student who got negative feedback from her professor and immediately she didn't want to have anything to do with him. This was exactly the unconscious mechanism which triggered Bundy too and its typical for Self Confident Style/narcissistic charactered people. Bundy killed girls who looked like the girlfriend which rejected him; thereby verbally piercing throught the façade of Self Confidence and making him feel humiliated. : : I know of an Self Confident Style woman who was judged not suitable for a commercial job she wanted because of her lack of education for it and she became so enraged that she immediately left the company. I remember her being nervous at the job interview; making it a contrast with her regular self confident; even glamorous 'can do' attitude. Later she mailed me that she had hidden her extreme ambition and that she really was convinced of being much better than most other persons. : : Also I have met with some cases of Self Confident bosses who deliberately spoilt the careers of employees because they publicly criticized their management style. In the famous Dilbert cartoon we can see his narcissistic boss who is so convinced he is a great manager that he can't understand why people think he's an asshole. Ted Bundy in the end was so deranged that he seemned to think himself he didn't commit the murders and focussed the spotlights in his legal case on himself in a way that Jerry Springer could learn many things from. Extremely narcissistic and showy people like Bundy and O.J. Simpson - sam story; another public 'humiliation' by his wife leaving him - their aggressive instincts are triggered by communicative feedback or criticism which undermines their carefully build facade of being a great and clever person who has a right to do things which others -the less bright and clever ones according to their distorted perception - don't have. : : Dr. Oldhams text on the narcissist is really good (although some narcissists would think its not.) and a lesson is that there are many situations in which it can be dangerous to do or say something which can make the extreme narcissistic character - unconsciously - feel humiliated. Of course they don't automatically change into murderers. Elvis Presley - another famous narcissist - simply couldn't understand why Priscilla left him for her karate teacher; he was Elvis the Greatest; how could somebody want to leave him, seems to be what he must have thought. : : In our culture lack of confidence is seen as something which you need to change by assertiveness training. However the risk-taking which is a result of over-confidence so typical for the DSMIV narcissist can also be a character liability in many situations. But that's not how we (like to) see things in our western capitalist mainstream culture. That's why public opinion all over the world was so shaken by the fact that a very clever and sociable 'all american' US citizen could do such horrible things. Could my well adapted neighbour be a crypto killer? : : The moderation of the value of self confidence/narcissism is the true lesson we need to learn from the Bundy/Simpson cases. : : Jan : :

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