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: : : : I cannot stand cage in most movies as he plays reactionary : : : : loud mouthed, profanity spewing morons. : : : -----Apparently you haven't seen most of his movies--what you interpret as lod-mouther I interpret as confidence; reactionism? In Leaving Las Vegas yes but thast was the point of the movie. In his other movis he generally plays a sort of rebel or revolutionay which is POSITive reactionism(without postive reactionism the US of A would not exist); as forspewing profanity, you are definitely mistaken. In most of his movies he actually plays intelligrnt well-spoken charaters who utter very little profanity( save the FREAKING DAY NOT THE OTHER F-WORD REMNEMBER?)aNY PROFANITY HE DOES UTTER IS APPROPIATE FPOR THE SITUATION(sorry about caps)The two movies in which he uteers themost profanity are Moonstruck and Leaving Las Vegas and again that is appropiately matched to the characters he portrays. Putting that all aside, you seem to miss the fact that most movies have a great deal of : : ***I have not seen his earlier movies. Leaving las vegas. I though he overacted. : : Elizabeth shue was fantastic as a deadened 3 hooker. I think she is an INFJ. : : She is an excellent actress. : : [profanity in them from al the stars so that fact alone negates your case against cAGE. : : ***Are you really that big a cage fan you are willing to make such an illogical statement. : -----There was nothing illogical about the statement. You said Cage onlylayed profnaity spewing morons. After refuting that argstatement, I simply made the point thatsince mosmovies contain much profanity from their stars--most much worse than what exists in Cage movies--your condemnation of Cageis a bit ridiculous. It's like attacking one politician in particular--especially a relatively good one--for being corrupt when most of the people there are to some extent. It is you who has consistently made illogical statements. arg : : : : : Now michael landon was an infj. Seemed like a 4w3. He played : : : : truly altruistic, noble characters. : : : ----Indeed he was and indeed he did and I loved his work--but he wasn't a movie star like cage, now was he? If he were you can bet the angel would have fallen(at least verbally). : : ***You are really sounding loopy! Landon at least from what I saw in prarie and highway : : was fairly consistant. : ___I"M sounding loopy? You got it backwards, amigo. My point was that if Landon had been a movie star like Cage--something he never achieved--he would have been using profanity too. It's a aprt of the deal. : : : : The same is not true of cage. : : : ------Erooneous, my friend. Many of age's characters have been defined by being altruistic and noble--even his flawed ones(the traqgedy of Leaving Lasd Vegas was precisely that such a noble, decent man succumbed to a wekness as base as alcohol).In Con Air, he plays a highly decorated ranger who singl;e-handedly takes down a planeful of the worst of the worst. That kind of character DEFINES nobility and altruism. In the Rock, he play a naturally passive scientist who calls on the courage he needs to perform herouically. In Amos and Andrew,he plays a goody guy who alwys gets into bad situations. His nobuility is shown in his attempts to foil the plotting of the bad guy sherriff. In Lost in Paradise, he palys a good man--yet again--who is in a bad situation and is flawed(primarily becasue of those around him). In the end he does hwt is right and earns the love of a very noble and decent woman.In his new movie he plays an ambulance driver(bering an ambulance driver basicallylly requires one to be altruistic).And last but not least, in City of Angels he palys(GASP!) an : : : ANGEL! Just like Michael Landon!(Nly Cage's angel didn;t SMOKE!)You can't get any more noble and altrusitic than thatunless you're GOD). Nice try(actually it really wasn't)but no cigar(of course seeing as how you know landon palyed an angel who died of smoking, you probably know better than to engage in said habit) : : : : act aggressive and ultra macho to offset a strong feeling function. : : : ----Hmmm..could be....But no it isn't. Cage likes playing heroes and anti-heroes who are actually heroic precisely becasue of his IF functions. INFJ's are romantics, dreamers, altruists, and idealists precisely becasue they feel so much. Herosim springs forth from dreams to accompish something;from romatic feelings for another; for love of Humanity;and from knowing how things should be but aren't. Given that they feel so Much, INFJ's have great potentuiazl for heroism inside. Some grow up to actively be heroes in real society; others--like Cage--express theri feelings and thweir inner heroism through stories that inspuire others to heroism asnd noble thoughts and eeds. This is a guy who took his name--CAGWE--from a comic book hero. His character portrayls have nbothing to do with wnating to counteract his feeling function;instwead they are the meium through whu=ich he EXPRTESSES that function. : : ***Face off snake eyes those movies were B movies. Maybe cage is better in the small nonaction : : type movies. con air and face off are huge budget movies. they have the money to back their : : advertising. Their quality of character development and predicatablity are standard B action grade. : : On the same level as Jean claude van dam. : : Cage will never reach the level of schwartezenigger for action. Its not who he is. : : Schawartz had the charisma and body for it. : : Cage throws fits and overacts in snake eyes. Ridiculous. : ----I never said that CCage's action movies WERE ANY BETTER THAN b-GRADE--MOST AVCTION MOVIES AREN'T PRECISELY BECASUE THEY ARE ACTION MOVIES.I also never tried to imply that Cage wanted to achieve the status someone like Scwarenegger has an action hero. he can't. He is first and foremost an actor not a performer(which is what schwarenegger does. My point was simply that after achieving the highest honor an actor can get, he felt he could stretch into less serious roles and tell other storoes he liked. As for not achieving the status Scwarzie has an action star, who cares? Action stars are a dime a dozen--anyone can do what schwarzie does. Getting the highest honor that can be bestoewded upon you in the industry isn't nearly so easy. Cage has won an Oscar and he has mad e several successful action movies and is still going strong.. Arnold has achieved action hero status and.....and that'sd it. You''ll never see him win anything close to an Oscar(LOL :)) : : : P.S. I personally like Michael Landon and his work and don't think foucus on the positive should be replaced by focus on the negative, but since you were comparing them you might be intetrested to know that ML' : : : s son recently wrote a book blasting his father for all kinds of reasons--seems he had a dark side. No such blastying of Cage has occurred and I doubt ever will. : : Nobody is perfect. If it isn't conscious to you I can see your idealistic 4 wing is putting : : cage on a pedistal wheather to feel you beat me in this thread or because you really love the guy. : : Be careful, the nicky cage statue may come : crashing down some day. : ___ : LOL amigo,I am laughing out loud! First, I put nobody on a pedestal--it cheapens people and the idea of character in general. I do inMy defense of Cage was no more agrressive than your initial criticism of him--I reasponded the way I would have responded had you wrongfully judged ANYONewhether they were famous or not. Second, I have no 4 wing. My wing is a 12. I realize that will confound you becasue you apparently subscribe to the stnadard wing theory which is entirely incorrect. The correct way to determine one's wing is to examine which is on'es second highest score. Sou nds obvious but to many it apparently isn't. : I look forward to the debate I see coming. : En GArde! : MAv : : .: : : : I agree that Cage is an INFJ but his enneatype is definitely a 4 with either a 3 or 5 wing(both are rather strong in him). As for his con air character, Poe is definitelya 3 with a 4 wing--his character is a highly decorated ranger wwhich indicates a greta desire for success and achievement as well as adventureHe also shows a 3's tendency to show off(I'm going to save the feaking day!"). His 4 traits are the result of Cage himself,I think and are indicvated by his loner nature(trusts no one)and by his attitude towards his wife and daughter(my hummiongbird--the words of a poet). Cage is one of the best actors in movie history. : : : : : : Maverick : : : : : : : : : : Cameron Poe : : : : : : To me Cage are playing a typical hero, in this movie I think cage are playing an 9w8 (cage are likely a 9, type INFJ , often playing ESTP roles) saving the day. In his movies he mostly play 9w8. : : : : : : John Cusack .... Vince Larkin This seems to be an E-1, deciding to get his hands diry in the moment of taking his boss car. : : : : : : John Malkovich --- Cyrus "The Virus" Grissom : : : : : : The bad guy, seems to be very brilliant, probably an ENTJ and an enneagram type 8. : : : : : : Garland 'The Marietta Mangler' Greene : : : : : : This seemimly harmless (hannibal style) serial killer seems to be an E-5. He analyse everything, and make som brilliant remarks. : : : : : : .... Johnny 'Johnny-23' Baca : : : : : : This sadistic raper (claiming he'd be johnny 800 if he had been caught for everything), seems to be an enneagram type 3. Seemingly disturbed man that have tattoed a rose for every woman he are convicted for.

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