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Posted by Cory on June 03, 2001 at 11:23:08:

In Reply to: And Wagner posted by Jan on June 03, 2001 at 02:00:53:

Jung taught that the difference between Thinking and Feeling was a focus on either truth or values. However, I don't think this is as practical as how Big Five approaches it. Using the Jungian meaning, people are all superficially linked. Adolph Hitler, Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, Nietzsche -- they'd all be "Feelers". What good is a personality typing system if there is hardly any order to it? However on Big Five, there are two scales...one to indicate Altruistic vs Self-Serving and the other to indicate Calm vs Emotional.

Nowadays, many people interpret T/F on the MB system to be a combination of those two Big Five scales. Feelers are described as "empathic, easily worked up, like people, considerate, polite". Thinkers are "logical, cold, reasonable, not swayed by others feelings, emotionally stable". Many people have trouble deciding what type they are because they may be very calm and unemotional, and yet be quite empathic and considerate. Even Extraversion is mixed into these definitions. "Liking people" is a combination of the Altruistic AND Extraverted scales.

The Big Five works and is limited because it is simple. Myers-Briggs gets lost in its own complexity. There's no real consensus on the meaning of MB functions and many contradicting theories are all called "Myers-Briggs". The Big Five is agreed upon by the psychological community. It has been much more well-defined and clarified.

The major criticism I have against Big Five isn't so much against the system as it is some people who have supported it. There is a strong bias to be positive in all the scales, except the Neuroticism one. I've read descriptions where Altruistic people are "friendly, giving, considerate" while the non-Altruists were "cold, mean, doesn't get along with others". This is clearly lop-sided. Some people who score high in Altruism can be very weak self-effacing types, like many Dependent style people. Others who score low in Altruism may just very well be self-preservational. Ayn Rand's philosophy was very low in Altruism, and I wouldn't call her evil.

-Cory

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: Jung taught that the difference between Thinking and Feeling was a focus on either truth or values. However, I don't think this is as practical as how Big Five approaches it. Using the Jungian meaning, people are all superficially linked. Adolph Hitler, Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, Nietzsche -- they'd all be "Feelers". What good is a personality typing system if there is hardly any order to it? However on Big Five, there are two scales...one to indicate Altruistic vs Self-Serving and the other to indicate Calm vs Emotional. : Nowadays, many people interpret T/F on the MB system to be a combination of those two Big Five scales. Feelers are described as "empathic, easily worked up, like people, considerate, polite". Thinkers are "logical, cold, reasonable, not swayed by others feelings, emotionally stable". Many people have trouble deciding what type they are because they may be very calm and unemotional, and yet be quite empathic and considerate. Even Extraversion is mixed into these definitions. "Liking people" is a combination of the Altruistic AND Extraverted scales. : The Big Five works and is limited because it is simple. Myers-Briggs gets lost in its own complexity. There's no real consensus on the meaning of MB functions and many contradicting theories are all called "Myers-Briggs". The Big Five is agreed upon by the psychological community. It has been much more well-defined and clarified. : The major criticism I have against Big Five isn't so much against the system as it is some people who have supported it. There is a strong bias to be positive in all the scales, except the Neuroticism one. I've read descriptions where Altruistic people are "friendly, giving, considerate" while the non-Altruists were "cold, mean, doesn't get along with others". This is clearly lop-sided. Some people who score high in Altruism can be very weak self-effacing types, like many Dependent style people. Others who score low in Altruism may just very well be self-preservational. Ayn Rand's philosophy was very low in Altruism, and I wouldn't call her evil. : -Cory

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