I think it's written too densely. Plus I need more practice in explaining it. nt

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: : I have tried several times to read this, but I literally can't stay interested. : : This is unusual, because religion usually is a hot topic with me. But I can only agree with Andy. I would need to be enticed with money or drugs to read it, even though it's fairly brief. : : So, why does this treatise bore me? That's a good topic, I reckon. : : You could look for a reason within your prejudices; such as me being a vicious misogynist, or by blaming yourself; such as you being a bad writer and a shallow thinker. : : Neither thought would be true; I don't hate women, and lots of intelligent people like your posts, so you must be doing something right. : : So why does a 5ish four get bored by the topic, or at least the way it's presented in that post? : : : Explain it better than anyone else has? That's a bit of a tall order, but I'll do my : : : best. : : : The Spiritual reality which exists in the universe is not the same as soul or mind, : : : but it is part of us. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that we are part : : : of it. : : : We have bodies and personalities, and behind both of those lies spirit. This spirit : : : is eternal and exists everywhere in all people. It also exists in other living : : : creatures and in matter even at a cellular level, but in these it exists in an : : : unconscious way. They are created things which act unconsciously. Man : : : however has the capacity to be conscious of this spiritual part of him/herself and : : : generally has been until the modern age where we have little recourse to ideas of : : : the transcendent or the sacred. : : : Religions of course are evolutionary, yet they all and always stress this : : : transcendent aspect of man, and provide ways in which s/he can come to know : : : that part of themselves, the still centre, which is spirit. All religions identify and : : : attest to the existence in man of such a spirit which is also identified with God or : : : the Divine Essence. It is stressed in religious philosopy that this spirit is Real, ie. : : : that it has Being and autonomous existence, in a way that man living solely by his : : : own personality cannot have being. This is not to say that our personalities are : : : bad things, they can aid us in coming to the spirit, but we need to be centred in : : : the spirit in order for our personalities to be harmonious and for us to be happy : : : and have 'the peace that passes understanding'. Cut off from spirit, our : : : personalities are full of strife and discontent, but centred in spirit, they become : : : redeemed or transformed and become as they should be, part of an undivided : : : whole. They are reunited with the source of their existence and made real. : : : Religious thinkers have found and suggested a variety of ways that we can work : : : towards this uniting with spirit, but have also stressed that it is the work of grace, : : : ie. that spirit is all the time trying to fill us with its presence, but that we can : : : co-operate more or less with that as we feel inclined. No religion has clarified the : : : ways to unite with spirit more than Hinduism which has posited an number of : : : different ways or forms of yoga. These are, the way of meditation, the way of : : : action, and the way of love. Hindu writers have also made very clear the : : : identification of our individual spirit (Atman) and the transcendent, omnipresent : : : spirit, (Brahman). You may be wondering if this Spirit is personal or impersonal, : : : but the spirit transcends such categories. It contains all things and all things come : : : from it, so that of course the personal as we understand it is contained in it, yet it : : : also totally transcends the personal as we understand it. In the same way it is : : : Good and Loving, yet transcends goodness and love as we are able to : : : understand it. We can never fully comprehend that Spirit, yet we can know it, : : : not by seeing it as an object would be seen and known about, but by realising it : : : in ourselves - a knowing through experience. We all recognise spirit in things that : : : are beautiful and good and true and have the capacity to respond to those things : : : and focus on them and this can help us to get a sense of that spirit which in itself : : : is much harder to convey than to experience.

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