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Posted by Anonymous on November 23, 2000 at 17:25:21:

In Reply to: Re: Hey! I'm offended! Read more carefully! posted by Mikko on November 23, 2000 at 12:31:54:

: : I do not think you deserve to be insulted. I THOUGHT you deserved to be insulted. Read my other response.

: When I was replying to your message, I read what I knew at the time and it was 'Insulting you is good enough, since I believe you deserve it.'

I re-read it, and I indeed did use the present tense. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking at the time; it might have just been a typo. Sorry.

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: I do NOT, right now, think that saying what you think is positive about yourself is a necessarily bad thing. I was just being completely honest with you about my motives, and I had taken the time to think them through, and you misinterpret them. When I tell you my motives, you have to understand that I have a LOT of practice at determining them.

: Knowing anyone's motives is just the very first step in understanding. Understanding them is the second.

I have the ability to know completely my own motives, when I think about them, almost all of the time. "Know completely" = understand. And I'm damn proud of it!

: All I was telling you was what I happened to be thinking and feeling while I was writing my angry response. And, I at no point attempted to justify my actions. I told you what I did and why, without attaching any sense of right or wrong.

: I believe that when people do something, they automatically believe it's right--at least at the moment they are doing it. Tomorrow might be wiser than today, but at the very moment you are doing something you think it's the right thing.

Of course. I think so too, at least so long as the person is doing what they are doing voluntarily. At the moment, I DID think that I was doing the right thing. But, then I looked back at it and learned my true motives at the time. You were not reprimanding me for my selfish actions when I wrote the disparaging post. You were acting like you were pissed off at my LATER self.

: Would you rather that I lied, and told you some false story about trying to help you? I honestly wasn't thinking about you at all, I was just thinking about how annoyed I was that you were posting such (at the time) offensive statements.

: No, but this is the first time you speak about this in the past tense. In all previous messages you were speaking as though you are having those feelings and thoughts at the moment. Now you are saying, if I understand correctly, that everything after your inital reply was reflection. Is this correct?

Nah, not totally. Most of it is, but I did post that thing on how you were being a braggart - though by the end of it I decided that I didn't think it was such a terrible crime to post what you did.

: : : I read a few of your recent comments on the 5board and it was enough to tell me I don't have any interest in talking with you. I like people who don't put themselves on a pedestal.

: : I ask you to do the same for me that I tried to do for you - point out exactly where I was at fault. I don't think that I tried to put myself on a pedestal at any time in the past month or so.

: Actually, I think my comment about the pedestal might've been a too hasty one and I'm sorry about that. It was based mostly on your messages saying "don't comment on things you barely understand", on Epicurus. I also read other messages by you and I can only comment our style of looking at the world seems to different for us to have good conversations. For example, you asked on the 5board why there can't be a 5w7. I can only say read Riso/Hudson's Personality Types and compare that to people you see in real life.

The thing about Epicurus is, a lot of people only associate his name with food. The guy on the 5 board DIDN'T understand, and it's a pet peeve of mine. I still consider my response within the bounds of acceptability. About the 5w7 stuff - I wasn't putting myself up on a pedestal there in any way. I won't pass judgment on whether I was right or not yet, partially because I have not yet had time to fully digest Isaac's response, but that has nothing to do with what you were initially criticizing.

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: : : I do not think you deserve to be insulted. I THOUGHT you deserved to be insulted. Read my other response. : : When I was replying to your message, I read what I knew at the time and it was 'Insulting you is good enough, since I believe you deserve it.' : I re-read it, and I indeed did use the present tense. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking at the time; it might have just been a typo. Sorry. : : : : I do NOT, right now, think that saying what you think is positive about yourself is a necessarily bad thing. I was just being completely honest with you about my motives, and I had taken the time to think them through, and you misinterpret them. When I tell you my motives, you have to understand that I have a LOT of practice at determining them. : : Knowing anyone's motives is just the very first step in understanding. Understanding them is the second. : I have the ability to know completely my own motives, when I think about them, almost all of the time. "Know completely" = understand. And I'm damn proud of it! : : All I was telling you was what I happened to be thinking and feeling while I was writing my angry response. And, I at no point attempted to justify my actions. I told you what I did and why, without attaching any sense of right or wrong. : : I believe that when people do something, they automatically believe it's right--at least at the moment they are doing it. Tomorrow might be wiser than today, but at the very moment you are doing something you think it's the right thing. : Of course. I think so too, at least so long as the person is doing what they are doing voluntarily. At the moment, I DID think that I was doing the right thing. But, then I looked back at it and learned my true motives at the time. You were not reprimanding me for my selfish actions when I wrote the disparaging post. You were acting like you were pissed off at my LATER self. : : Would you rather that I lied, and told you some false story about trying to help you? I honestly wasn't thinking about you at all, I was just thinking about how annoyed I was that you were posting such (at the time) offensive statements. : : No, but this is the first time you speak about this in the past tense. In all previous messages you were speaking as though you are having those feelings and thoughts at the moment. Now you are saying, if I understand correctly, that everything after your inital reply was reflection. Is this correct? : Nah, not totally. Most of it is, but I did post that thing on how you were being a braggart - though by the end of it I decided that I didn't think it was such a terrible crime to post what you did. : : : : I read a few of your recent comments on the 5board and it was enough to tell me I don't have any interest in talking with you. I like people who don't put themselves on a pedestal. : : : I ask you to do the same for me that I tried to do for you - point out exactly where I was at fault. I don't think that I tried to put myself on a pedestal at any time in the past month or so. : : Actually, I think my comment about the pedestal might've been a too hasty one and I'm sorry about that. It was based mostly on your messages saying "don't comment on things you barely understand", on Epicurus. I also read other messages by you and I can only comment our style of looking at the world seems to different for us to have good conversations. For example, you asked on the 5board why there can't be a 5w7. I can only say read Riso/Hudson's Personality Types and compare that to people you see in real life. : The thing about Epicurus is, a lot of people only associate his name with food. The guy on the 5 board DIDN'T understand, and it's a pet peeve of mine. I still consider my response within the bounds of acceptability. About the 5w7 stuff - I wasn't putting myself up on a pedestal there in any way. I won't pass judgment on whether I was right or not yet, partially because I have not yet had time to fully digest Isaac's response, but that has nothing to do with what you were initially criticizing.

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