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Posted by Cory on March 31, 2001 at 19:17:41:

In Reply to: Type/PD alignment posted by Elizabeth on March 31, 2001 at 02:49:36:

: Type 1: Obsessive-Compulsive
Agree

: Type 2: Histrionic
Yes, but also Masochistic.

: Type 3: Narcissistic
Agree

: Type 4: Oral/Avoidant (Affective disorders: unipolar & bipolar are common)
Depressive. I don't think affective disorders should apply because those aren't really "hardware" like personality disorders. What I'm saying is that it's not really a part of them, whereas a personality disorder is very much "you". Do you follow me? It's the difference between Axis I and Axis II disorders. Of course, you can always match Borderline with this type and get a near equal result.

: Type 5: Schizoid/Schizotypical
Agree

: Type 6: Masochistic (Social, not sexual)
Also Dependent. Now, Paranoid may seem obvious but there's a huge, important difference between Paranoids and cp Sixes. Paranoids are VERY self-confident and self-assured where as cp Sixes arent. Paranoids see themselves as the only sane person in a world of lunatics. They don't trust others, like cp Sixes, but they don't look for outside support. They are very much inner driven.

: Type 7: Antisocial
I see Histrionic as matching 7 best. I don't think Antisocial fits 7 really. Elton John, Jim Carrey, Bette Midler, Robin Williams...can you imagine them becoming Antisocial people like your common street thug? While Sevens can be self-centered and gluttonous, its more in a "innocent" Histrionic way than a cruel, criminal Antisocial way.

: Type 8: Sadistic
Yes, also possibly Antisocial and Paranoid.

: Type 9: Symbiotic
Never heard of this one. Another name for Dependent personality?

: I realize this isn't a DSM outline but, once again, the DSM is a polical document created to outline legal definitions and is not a theory to explain personality in general.

That's an unfair statement. It was somewhat influenced politically (regarding the Sadistic and Masochistic personality disorders) because of the chaos it would cause in courts, especially in cases where a violent (sadistic) man beats his (masochistic) wife. The real reason for DSM happening was that psychiatrists needed a common language in diagnosing patients. They need to decide once and for all, on paper, what the criteria was for personality disorders. It was made for practical and scientific reasons.

Here is an interesting question: On the enneagram, one must have an adjacent wing. What if a person has been diagnosed with Antisocial and Narcissistic personality disorders? Would they be a 7w3, or must they be 7w8 by default? Certain clusters mix well with the enneagram, e.g., Narcissistic/Histrionic (3w2), Paranoid/Schizotypal (6w5), but many people would have types in DSM that wouldn't have types on the enneagram.

-Cory

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: : Type 1: Obsessive-Compulsive : Agree : : Type 2: Histrionic : Yes, but also Masochistic. : : Type 3: Narcissistic : Agree : : Type 4: Oral/Avoidant (Affective disorders: unipolar & bipolar are common) : Depressive. I don't think affective disorders should apply because those aren't really "hardware" like personality disorders. What I'm saying is that it's not really a part of them, whereas a personality disorder is very much "you". Do you follow me? It's the difference between Axis I and Axis II disorders. Of course, you can always match Borderline with this type and get a near equal result. : : Type 5: Schizoid/Schizotypical : Agree : : Type 6: Masochistic (Social, not sexual) : Also Dependent. Now, Paranoid may seem obvious but there's a huge, important difference between Paranoids and cp Sixes. Paranoids are VERY self-confident and self-assured where as cp Sixes arent. Paranoids see themselves as the only sane person in a world of lunatics. They don't trust others, like cp Sixes, but they don't look for outside support. They are very much inner driven. : : Type 7: Antisocial : I see Histrionic as matching 7 best. I don't think Antisocial fits 7 really. Elton John, Jim Carrey, Bette Midler, Robin Williams...can you imagine them becoming Antisocial people like your common street thug? While Sevens can be self-centered and gluttonous, its more in a "innocent" Histrionic way than a cruel, criminal Antisocial way. : : Type 8: Sadistic : Yes, also possibly Antisocial and Paranoid. : : Type 9: Symbiotic : Never heard of this one. Another name for Dependent personality? : : I realize this isn't a DSM outline but, once again, the DSM is a polical document created to outline legal definitions and is not a theory to explain personality in general. : That's an unfair statement. It was somewhat influenced politically (regarding the Sadistic and Masochistic personality disorders) because of the chaos it would cause in courts, especially in cases where a violent (sadistic) man beats his (masochistic) wife. The real reason for DSM happening was that psychiatrists needed a common language in diagnosing patients. They need to decide once and for all, on paper, what the criteria was for personality disorders. It was made for practical and scientific reasons. : Here is an interesting question: On the enneagram, one must have an adjacent wing. What if a person has been diagnosed with Antisocial and Narcissistic personality disorders? Would they be a 7w3, or must they be 7w8 by default? Certain clusters mix well with the enneagram, e.g., Narcissistic/Histrionic (3w2), Paranoid/Schizotypal (6w5), but many people would have types in DSM that wouldn't have types on the enneagram. : -Cory

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