Re: Psychics are psychos

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: : >Now, regarding your family, you sure they are not just coincidences? : +++ That's possible. : One example incident that happened was that my mother, who hadn't seen one of her sisters for years, and did not know that her sister was expecting a baby, dreamed one night that her sister had a baby boy. The next day her sister called her and told her the news. My mother and her sister lived in different countries, by the way. : I found it strange that many ordinary people (who are not trying to make money out of their supposed psychic abilities or get famous) would experience such coincidences that you talk about. But I truly think it's possible that you're right. Do you think, however, that certain types are more likely to believe themselves to be psychic or "intuitive"? In a way, that was one of the things I wanted to know when I asked my original question. (I mean, is it related to psychological types.) : : >Oh, I don't believe in "inferior" functions either :) People pretty much >all act the same when mad, regardless of function. There's a book by >Naomi Quenk called Beside Ourselves which focuses almost exclusively on >people acting out their inferiors, but it never convinced me. Hedonism >and overeating are the results of inferior Extraverted Sensing? Would >that mean hedonists and extremists are just INFJs chronically in their >inferior? : +++ The claim that Hedonism = inferior Extraverted Sensing doesn't seem very convincing to me either. In fact a lot of the examples that many authors give to prove their point aren't very convincing. But I still think that there is some truth to the idea of inferior functions. : >There's also a lot of contradiction. For example, when ExFJs act out >their Introverted Thinking there is a "hyperobsession with logic". >Interestingly enough when IxTPs act out their Extraverted Feeling, there >is a similar statement which says they overemphasize logic. Wouldn't they >be acting in COMPLETELY different ways? : +++ I often read that when IxTPs are in the grip of their inferior Fe, they have strong emotional outbursts that scare everyone around them. According to Jung they also might feel unlovable and believe that no one in the world likes them. : >Besides, how can we even discuss functions when no one can agree on what >they are? :) : +++ I think no one agrees with each other because everyone looks from a slightly different perspective even when they're supposed to be talking about the same thing. What I always try to do is try to see from Jung's perspective, which is why I ask the kind of questions that I often ask on these boards. I once wrote a post on Jung and Myers-Briggs on the main board, suggesting that there might be a difference between Jung's perspective and the perspective of Isabel Myers and her adherents. My main interest is always first to understand Jung. In the end, I might learn that psychological functions don't exist, but that's not what's important to me, because I'm just trying to understand a particular perspective. : (Doesn't that sound like something that I once wrote in another post?) : +++ Other comments: I haven't yet gone to the link you showed me, but I will soon. What you say makes a lot of sense. Still I am open to possibilities, and no one has yet completely convinced me that there are absolutely no such possibilities out there. It's possible that one day I will come around to your way of thinking. But then I might not. : You should understand that I don't completely believe in psychic phenomena, yet neither do I completely disbelieve in it. For me, many things are simply possible -- either to be true or false. : I also think that many psychics aren't really psychic. It doesn't mean, however, that everyone who believe themselves to be psychic are frauds or liars. Coincidences aside, maybe something else is happening to them, and it's not as "magical" as they think. Whatever their really experiencing, I want to know if it's related to psychological functions. : : However I'll assume for the moment that there is absolutely no such thing as real psychic ability. A question still remains. Besides psychic ability I was also talking about something that people often understand to be "intuition." I don't necessarily mean when people dream of the numbers to the lottery or foresee that they would lose a job, or whatever. What I mean is this. I don't suppose you read fairy tales. If you've ever read **The Twelve Dancing Princesses**, you would know that the youngest princess in that story is especially perceptive. She sensed that there was something different about the soldier who was sent by the king to investigate them about the mystery of the worn out shoes. Her sisters noticed nothing wrong and thought that she was silly and over-sensitive. Of course, she turned out to be right. : I think that many people would consider the youngest princess to be "intuitive". Also, many women are said to be very intuitive, and have what's often called "women's intuition." They "just know" when someone is telling a lie, or they know when something is wrong about a situation. What I want to know is whether this kind of intuition is part of the intuitive function. Lenore Thomson says that "women's intuition" is not really intuition in the Jungian sense, and I suspect that too, but I want to know other people's views. Also I found it strange that it's usually (but not always) sensing types, especially sensing feeling types, who have these "intuitions". Or maybe it's because when sensing types have these intuitions they experience is as a mysterious "feeling", whereas when an intuitve experiences it often appears as if he or she is "thinking". : Well, sarcasm or whatever, I appreciate you expressing your views. : : Lisza

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