Extremes: 8 Narcissist; 4 Borderline (look-alikes)

Posted by Chloaca on June 13, 2001 at 00:18:15:

In Reply to: A weird combination posted by Cassandra on June 12, 2001 at 22:11:28:

Therapists have difficulty diagnosing and have to probe defenses to attempt
an assessment. Generally, imperfect mirroring triggers the defense. Narcissists get angry. attack and leave. Borderlines get angry, distance,
but cling (push/pull.) Simply put: Narcisists require interpretation;
Borderlines respond to confrontation. The Narcissists know it is not their
fault (grandiosity.) The Borderlines are acutely anxious that "it" is their fault (defective.)
Most 8s and 4s do not have personality disorders, but in the extreme
charactecture, one can see tendencies "normals" manifest.
So, 8 and 4 are polar extremes of type, but share concerns that manifest
differently. Both consider themselves, sensitive, vulnerable, special,
misunderstood. One denies, the other dramatizes. Both can be confusing to
interact with. Riso and Hudson, Palmer both try to compare and contrast
8 and 4 in their works. MBTI can provide clues also. (Ni or Si.)
The tests help narrow the choices and provide a basis for exploration.
They are inexact.

Follow Ups:

• "Chloaca" ... don't feel so bad Daniel 03:58:15 06/14/01 (0)
• 8s aren't narcissists! 3s are narcissists... 8s are sadistics. RoTtEn ApPlE 22:23:06 06/13/01 (10)
  • Thanks for the contribution.. Chloaca (Latin for sewer) 00:25:41 06/14/01 (9)
    • Re: Thanks for the contribution.. Paul the Pharmacist 13:10:58 06/15/01 (0)
    • You're welcome RoTtEn ApPlE 10:16:59 06/14/01 (0)
    • Reich's Phallic Narcissistic type (try Naranjo) C.L.F.S. 08:15:14 06/14/01 (6)
      • Hmmmmmmm... RoTtEn ApPlE 10:35:44 06/14/01 (4)
        • 4 oral, 8 opposite (spits out) cLoaca as in chicken pudenda (no H) 18:33:23 06/15/01 (3)
          • 4 sucks, 8 ejaculates (not opposites... but... ) RoTtEn ApPlE 23:43:10 06/15/01 (2)
            • Actually, 5 suffers from constipation. [nt] Mikko 13:55:53 06/16/01 (1)
              • Um, that would be Type 1... anal retentive. (nt) RoTtEn ApPlE 14:28:24 06/16/01 (0)
      • This is what puzzles me Diarmuid 08:54:43 06/14/01 (0)
• imperfect mirroring Claire 10:00:18 06/13/01 (4)
  • Claire: Yes! Latin for sewer 00:15:54 06/14/01 (3)
    • Re: Claire: Yes! Claire 09:40:24 06/14/01 (2)
      • Imperfect mirroring 1. penetrates defense 2. triggers response CLFS 18:22:04 06/15/01 (1)
        • CLFS, Thank you very much for your helpful comments and insights! n/t Claire 19:54:15 06/15/01 (0)

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