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Posted by Diarmuid on November 01, 2001 at 11:19:52:

In Reply to: to victoria (about the same thread) posted by isaac on October 31, 2001 at 16:58:18:

He's basically a libertarian, though he has a lot to say about people who accept Ayn Rand uncritically.

Is it true that Leonard Peikoff calls those who disagree with him "an enemy of Objectivism"? Bear in mind, by "those who disagree with him" I don't mean lefties like me, I mean Ayn Rand-loving, Harry Browne-voting people who agree with him on 98% of the issues?

Wow. I see what people mean when they say Libertarianism (as a school of thought) is a mirror-image to early 20th century communism. You remember Lenin led the Bolsheviks? That name means "majority", it stems from a huge split that divided the party some years before. The issue was so irrelevant, I've forgotten it.

Oh, can you have a look here too: http://www.9types.com/chatboard/messages/12223.html

Tell me what you think?

: : If you want to learn how to be selfish and out for yourself--actually her philosophies are the underpinning of Libertarian politics, then read Ayn Rand. I found the Fountainhead to be the most boring, evil book on the planet. one thing youll notice reading Ayn Rands versions of Utopia is that there are no children, old people or disabled people. Hmmmm.

: have you read what ayn rand said about libertarians? there are plenty of problems with libertarianism from an objectivist piont of view, and peikoff and rand both have pointed this out. the ari objectivist camp (who actually follow what rand preached) does not support the libertarian party. don't think that libertarians have a trademark on lessaiz-faire capitalism.

: teh fountainhead, just as a piece of literature, wasn't nearly as good as atlas shrugged, which is a really quick-moving book. but i don't know that i'd actually call it "evil." in galt's gulch, there are children. and old people. it's just that there isn't anyone there who expects handouts for free. if you erally wanna know what you're talking about when you talk about objectivism, you shoudl read atlas shrugged. or, at least, go to www.objectivism.org. it's important to know what it is you're criticizing if you want your criticisms to be of any value at all. if you would actually like to have this debate, feel free to email me.

: isaac

Dave King's Guide To Objectivism

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: He's basically a libertarian, though he has a lot to say about people who accept Ayn Rand uncritically. : Is it true that Leonard Peikoff calls those who disagree with him "an enemy of Objectivism"? Bear in mind, by "those who disagree with him" I don't mean lefties like me, I mean Ayn Rand-loving, Harry Browne-voting people who agree with him on 98% of the issues? : Wow. I see what people mean when they say Libertarianism (as a school of thought) is a mirror-image to early 20th century communism. You remember Lenin led the Bolsheviks? That name means "majority", it stems from a huge split that divided the party some years before. The issue was so irrelevant, I've forgotten it. : Oh, can you have a look here too: http://www.9types.com/chatboard/messages/12223.html : Tell me what you think? : : : : If you want to learn how to be selfish and out for yourself--actually her philosophies are the underpinning of Libertarian politics, then read Ayn Rand. I found the Fountainhead to be the most boring, evil book on the planet. one thing youll notice reading Ayn Rands versions of Utopia is that there are no children, old people or disabled people. Hmmmm. : : have you read what ayn rand said about libertarians? there are plenty of problems with libertarianism from an objectivist piont of view, and peikoff and rand both have pointed this out. the ari objectivist camp (who actually follow what rand preached) does not support the libertarian party. don't think that libertarians have a trademark on lessaiz-faire capitalism. : : teh fountainhead, just as a piece of literature, wasn't nearly as good as atlas shrugged, which is a really quick-moving book. but i don't know that i'd actually call it "evil." in galt's gulch, there are children. and old people. it's just that there isn't anyone there who expects handouts for free. if you erally wanna know what you're talking about when you talk about objectivism, you shoudl read atlas shrugged. or, at least, go to www.objectivism.org. it's important to know what it is you're criticizing if you want your criticisms to be of any value at all. if you would actually like to have this debate, feel free to email me. : : isaac

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