Re: Bigoted Types.

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: : T: If we acknowledge that large parts of humanity are either born as ESTJ's or become like this through parenting, upbringing etc., then it differs little from criticising someone or indeed, hating someone, on the basis of their racial origins or culture. I think you are taking Myers-Briggs a little too seriously. : C: That's like saying we shouldn't hate a psychopathic murderer because they were born that way. ESTJs : are cursed by their nature. : [Last week it was you that thought you were cursed by your nature? Projection!] : [I don't really think we should hate psychopathic murderers but that's beside the point, because amongst ESTJs only a tiny minority could be considered as immoral or dangerous as a psycopathic murderer, so are you going to hate a large proportion of the people in the world who you haven't even met? Are your parents really that bad? : C: Ever heard of an evil INFP? I don't know most peoples MB type and I don't know any evil people, so I couldn't say if many evil people are INFPs or even what an 'evil person' was. I should think a lot of INFPs have got the potential to be great haters of humanity, social phobics and uptight counterphobes. : I didn't say ALL ESTJs are bad people, I just hate them... - So what, you hate them for being stupid, unlike you, superficial, what? : T: Many psychopaths are Sixes, but many good people are sixes too. : C: And many people thought those psychopathic Sixes were "good people" until they found about their schemes! : Paranoid or what? It's all an ESTJ conspiracy isn't it, everything in your life is THEIR fault, like if you're caught daydreaming on your job. And you can't go out because of them. : C: It's "naivete". : Not in English, it's not. If you use the French you need an accent on the last 'e' - check on your spellcheck. Don't tell me - I used to be a proof reader. : First get the beam out of your own eye! : C: I'm familiar with the shadow. In fact, I call myself the "Shadow of Society". : [Been there, done that. Where d'you think you're going to go to with this alienation? Who else sees you that way? Just yourself. It's an unhealthy Four thing to think you represent society's shadow - it's exactly what I used to think about myself. What is healthier is to think we represent society's spiritual depth and can gently but passionately remind them of that. If you started contributing towards society in some caring way, you would find that you less readily identify with the darkness.] : [As you're so familiar with the Shadow, what do you think your own shadow is? You sound just like an extremely bigoted ESTJ ranting on about the 'Commies' or the 'Blacks'. : For the ESTJ, the INFP is the worst kind of person to be. : [Do you honestly think they care?] : ESTJs naturally hate INFPs, so I will naturally hate ESTJs. : [Wow, that really makes sense! Of course, you WOULD behave exactly the same as them. What's so natural about hating?] : Every single ESTJ I know is a total cocksucker. : [Please don't use this sort of language to me or on the board] : I'm sorry for that word, but it's the nicest one I can think of. : [Doesn't that rather show your state of mind - are YOU such a wonderful person then?] : If you've ever had an ESTJ for a boss (like me), you will see where I'm coming from. : T: You do have a point in that the ESTJ type predominates in your culture, perhaps not in mine, and so feel in the oppressed : minority. I'll e-mail you some parts of an article that relates to this bias as it's quite long. : "Tradition, family, hard work, God, organization, conformity, society". I'm going to be sick. : Most of these things can be good or bad. Without organisation, there would be chaos. If you had no family, you would have grown up in a children's home, and most people hated that experience. What's wrong with hard work? Society is a community we belong to where we can choose to relate to others or not. We can try to improve it or contribute to the distrust, selfishness and hatred which bigotted people create and maintain. : Extraverts aren't ever as deep as an Introvert, but they are nice (usually). : Honey, nobody tells me, I'm not as deep as them. Nobody! My English teacher once used me to define the word 'profound'. : C: They are so unimaginative and idiotic, like an animal. The iNtuitive function is more superior than the archaic Sensing function, since it has arisen only in man. : [People used to say similar things about negroes.] : T: The THINKING makes judgments about life, people, occurrences, and things based on logic, analysis, and evidence, : avoiding the irrationality of making decisions based on feelings and values. As a result, the thinker is more interested in logic, : analysis, and verifiable conclusions than in empathy, va1ues, and persona1 warmth. The thinker may step on others' feelings : and needs without realizing it, neglecting to take into consideration the values of others : C: Especially the last part. That's why alot of the Thinkers I've come across are total jerks! : [Did you mean the bit about 'neglecting to take into consideration the values of others'? I thought that was rather you!] : T: The JUDGER is decisive, firm, and sure, setting goals and sticking to them. The judger wants to close books. Make decisions. and get on to the next project. When a project does not yet have closure, judgers will leave it behind and go on to new tasks and not look back. : C: I admire this, I wish I could be a J. : [Well, you're very judgemental!] : [this pride is counterphobic - think on't] : C: I've had some recent bad experiences with ESTJs. My dad is an ISTJ, my mom an ISFJ I think. My sister is an ISFJ. My bosses at work are ESTJs. I was reading an article on ESTJness in our society and became revolted. : [Became revolting more like. You don't have to work for people you dislike. Have some dignity and don't relate to them as if they were your parents] : -Cory, INFP Rebel [without a cause] : [Prolonged adolescence does not contribute to ones own health or that of society. You should channel your anger more positively. You are full of self-hatred.]

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