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Enneagram Type 4 Board Archive Re: These doldrums..Posted by Athena on October 26, 1999 at 03:01:53: In Reply to: Re: These doldrums.. posted by Matches on October 26, 1999 at 02:14:22: : Hi Karen...rather, Athena.. : You have some interesting thoughts and I understand where you're coming from in regards to the seven aspect....definitely someone with bipolar disorder could cycle thru the 4ish and 7ish behavious....but of course its a matter of goal and motivation...which aspect is more you? Definitely a 4! My god! My entire life (since I was 14---that's 14 years) I have dedicated to finding the truth of who I am. The 7 fills out the gaps in the 4 profile. It's fascinating the way it worked out. And get THIS----my third highest was a 2. The weirdest thing was that as I read about it, I found myself saying, "huh, that's interesting; Really? hmmm... I think I *do* do that!" "wow, I never thought of it that way". I've got to tell you, Matches, that up until then, NOTHING had surprised me when it came to characteristics about myself. When someone would tell me, "you're really such&such (a characteristic)" my response was always: tell me what I *don't* know. As it turned out, not only was I "surprised" I was also horrified. I despised many of the 2 characteristics. What I realized was that the 2 is my shadow. The part of myself that I deem so disgusting that I haven't truly dealt with it. It was really amazing. But ALWAYS and DEFINITELY a 4! The others were all new info on the continuing search for myself, for the Truth. : I'm glad to meet someone who actually enjoys being a four. There have been a fair share of you strange beings around the board since I have been around...and I gotta tell you, you all seem so foreign to me. Its like you're speaking a different language. Yes, I truly enjoy it. Maybe it's part ego. Part superiority complex. I have come such a long way in my own search that NO ONE can bullshit me. I see through them when they can't even see themselves. So maybe that's what it is. It isn't always roses, but it's pain that is the greatest teacher. : I tend to look at it as a curse of sorts....if I've been a 4 for all this time...trying to find myself....guess what? I still haven't! And its been 20 years! 20 years blown away trying to figure things out with myself when I could have talked to people, had fun, and all that nonsense. I have felt that way to. Try not to be discouraged. Yes. Go out. Do different things. Y'know what? You'll end up not only having fun, but coming home with a whole new perception of yourself, and more fascinating material for you to sort through to find yourself. Everything is connected. I have learned the most about myself through my relationships. : The waiting game is nonsense. I've waited for things all my life. And that's no way to do it. Unfortunately, that's the only way I know how....the only way I CAN... No, it's the only way you THINK you can! Yes, 20 years is a long time. But do you know what we have going for us being 4s? The desire for understanding. That's the push, the motivation, what makes us tick. And how can understanding come about but through change? Of all the types, CHANGE is a 4 characteristic, regardless of what all the books might say. Change is our ally. Our greatest ally. Create chaos. Get up & move regardless of how much money you have. Take what you need (especially any journals you might keep!) and just GO! Hell, I just moved all the way across the U.S. FOR LOVE. How about that gamble? And trust me, I am NOT the takearisk type AT ALL. And yet I did it. (The moving thing was just an example. I'm not *really* telling you to move ;) ) But you see what I'm getting at....the only thing limiting you is YOU. Trust me, I'm an expert on limitation!!!! go Matches, GO!!! Athena
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: : I noticed that too, with myself counted as one of the gloomy. Maybe it has to do with the full moon? Things happen in cycles. Any 4 should know that (esp those (me) of us with bipolar disorder). So there ya have it... :) : : : Anyway, it blows me away to feel such sadness. Even our traditionally more upbeat friends have either temporarily left us, choose to remain silent, or have joined the strains of the hapless 4. : : : Something is telling me that being a 4 has GOT to be one of the hardest - if not THE hardest - type to be. I can't even imaginme what it woul dbe like to be a healthy four.....You never see any of them around...There should be a difficulty rating attached to each type. I say four has got to be the hardest....and 7 probably the easiest.. : : : Any thoughts? : : Funny you should mention 7s. My second highest score is a 7!!! Isn't that a laugh? I must have taken the test when I was in a "high" mood! (the 7 psychological prob is mania; when you look at it that way, having a 4 & 7 makes more sense. Depression and Mania.) : : I have to admit, however, that even though I go through periods of sadness, there is always light at the end of the tunnel (try not to hate me for the cliche, and I will too!). I actually enjoy being a 4 when it comes right down to it. I'm extremely honest & aware of myself & behaviours. That says a lot more than most people who haven't the slightest idea what makes them tick or how they behave. My prob is that I try helping others actualize themselves even though that's probably not their mission in life. What hurts me most is seeing others hurting themselves because they don't listen to themselves; because they don't realize they're the ones causing their pain. As 4s I think we have an advantage. As much as it hurts to be aware of ourselves as much as we are, it's actually much healthier, and---believe it or not---wiser. : : Just my thoughts, : : : : : youcannotreachmenow
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