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Re: Newcomer with question

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Posted by Hal on September 23, 1998 at 16:32:50:

In Reply to: Newcomer with question posted by Scott on September 23, 1998 at 08:43:50:

: Hi all,
: My name is Scott and I am new to all this. I am an INFP and test out as a 4 with 5 coming in second. Is this called a 4w5?
: I have read the descriptions for a 4 but, have not really seen something written for a 4w5. Would any of you be willing to describe a 4w5 for me and any ideas how is differs from other combo's with 4.
: Thanks

Welcome, Scott.

Yes, this is called 4w5. I remember seeing a web site somewhere that had descriptions of each type, including the wings, but I don't remember where it is. I'll see if I can locate it, and maybe someone else here or on the non-4 message board will know.

In any case, here's my take on the wings: your wing is a kind of sub-type. We posess some of the qualities of our wing type, and some of its fears and motivations. No one is purely a single type, so we generally have some aspects of every type, but we will all have stronger preferences for a few types. This also means that though you may have a 5 wing, you probably also have at least some characteristics of a 3 wing, and these will affect your motivations and behaviors at least some of the time.

As I see it, the wing type works counter to your main type, and the two tend to pull you in different directions at once. In a 4w5, the 4 part tends to make us focus on learning about our selves, our inner world; while the 5 wing drives us to understand the external world. We often see these as contradictory in terms of where we put our time and attention. For a 4w3, the 4 part makes us feel different, misunderstood, and pushes us to shy away from the crowd; while the 3 wing wants us to fit in, be liked, and become someone we're not to impress people.

So I would say that in general, 4w5's tend to be more introverted, intellectual, thoughtful, private, insecure, and reserved. 4w3's tend to be more showy, flamboyant, outgoing, bold, image-conscious, and success-oriented. This is what I've been able to gather in my reading, conversations, and observations about people and the enneagram. I would also like to hear what others here have to say about this--how to other 4's see 4w5 as compared to 4w3? It seems that most everyone here is a 4w5, with Derf as the resident 4w3.

Any other input?

- Hal -

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: : Hi all, : : My name is Scott and I am new to all this. I am an INFP and test out as a 4 with 5 coming in second. Is this called a 4w5? : : I have read the descriptions for a 4 but, have not really seen something written for a 4w5. Would any of you be willing to describe a 4w5 for me and any ideas how is differs from other combo's with 4. : : Thanks : Welcome, Scott. : Yes, this is called 4w5. I remember seeing a web site somewhere that had descriptions of each type, including the wings, but I don't remember where it is. I'll see if I can locate it, and maybe someone else here or on the non-4 message board will know. : In any case, here's my take on the wings: your wing is a kind of sub-type. We posess some of the qualities of our wing type, and some of its fears and motivations. No one is purely a single type, so we generally have some aspects of every type, but we will all have stronger preferences for a few types. This also means that though you may have a 5 wing, you probably also have at least some characteristics of a 3 wing, and these will affect your motivations and behaviors at least some of the time. : As I see it, the wing type works counter to your main type, and the two tend to pull you in different directions at once. In a 4w5, the 4 part tends to make us focus on learning about our selves, our inner world; while the 5 wing drives us to understand the external world. We often see these as contradictory in terms of where we put our time and attention. For a 4w3, the 4 part makes us feel different, misunderstood, and pushes us to shy away from the crowd; while the 3 wing wants us to fit in, be liked, and become someone we're not to impress people. : So I would say that in general, 4w5's tend to be more introverted, intellectual, thoughtful, private, insecure, and reserved. 4w3's tend to be more showy, flamboyant, outgoing, bold, image-conscious, and success-oriented. This is what I've been able to gather in my reading, conversations, and observations about people and the enneagram. I would also like to hear what others here have to say about this--how to other 4's see 4w5 as compared to 4w3? It seems that most everyone here is a 4w5, with Derf as the resident 4w3. : Any other input? : - Hal -

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