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Enneagram Type 4 Board Archive This discussion...Posted by Julian on December 03, 1999 at 18:08:18: In Reply to: Ways of the world posted by Ronnie on December 03, 1999 at 15:56:29:
Ronnie, if I were built like you I wouldn't feel afraid to express my fourishness. So perhaps people wonder why it is that you feel you need to take a guarded position. I, on the other hand, am a complete featherweight, couldn't possibly defend myself, and sensitive to boot. Yet I try, anyway, to the extent I can not to hold anything back whereas I suspect people can sense you put up a bit of a guard tower and they're like, "huh? what's this guy got to be afraid of?" What I said is, I realize, a pretty sophomoric observation but perhaps this isn't: Perhaps if you were to consciously take in less information about what was going on around you...close your eyes, as it were, stop taking in information about people without reciprocating...people would respond differently to you. I know I'm talking out of my ass here. I dunno, just wanted to say, hey I AM a vulnerable guy. I've tried weights, weight-gain formula, the works...nothing. Maybe you should realize you possess something not all of us have... Hope I'm not too out of line here... Julian : : [I tend to use humour in those situations, in an attempt to bring things back down to earth. You could try putting across the completely valid view that knowledge has to be applied and applicable. That's one that's hard to refute, unless the knowledge is just fun for them, which is okay - as long as people recognise they are doing no more than playing intellectual games. You could think of college as a playground where the still relatively young practise and hone their mental skills through intellectual game playing.] : Well, it can be questioned if the issues are truly purely academic or just in my own way of perceiving things. At any rate, very abstract and theoretical issues I don't have much interest about, I'm interested only in things that connect to and can be seen in practical life. In short, their interests (and the way they talk about things) are different from mine and therefore it's hard to find anything to talk about. : : [Well, it would be, although you have mentioned feeling angry and hitting walls lately. If it's coming out that's a positive thing, but it may have been there in your eyes all the time - like I said about my friends : I have to try that out sometimes, but what if I end up being too scared? *L* I meant my anger, when I feel it definitely isn't unconscious, but that I'd use it to scare off people I'm not angry at would be. : : I typically don't feel agressive or angry towards people, I'd just want to find out what they are like. : It can be possible that I unnerve people not really sure about themselves. : : ["Mr. Worf" - had to phone my nephew to find out about this particular piece of intertextuality.] : : [fairly broad. - what does that mean by Scandinavian standards? Do you mean broad-shouldered or a big build or a little overweight?] : Broad shoulders, big build and a little overweight, but not plump. I'm 1.79m tall (without shoes), weigh about 94kg, my chest is about 105cm and my waist the same. Scandinavians are a different breed, really, when thinking about typical Norwegians. : : I know it can't be because I was agressive in the way I speak to people, because I'm not aggressive in my speaking style. : I know the Northern style and mentality better than the Southern. I've seen BBC dramas about people in the North and I'd say their behavior is very familiar to me. I just don't understand why you always have to wrap everything up in a bunch of "Yes, but I think and wouldn't you rather blah blah blah". : : you know it's not only not necessary, but not doing yourself a service : I do believe in my own reality. I believe too strongly in it, that's my problem, not being open to other possible interprations. : : "feeling special : There different ways of feeling oneself special, it should be in a healthy way as well. : : Well, that's their problem, do you think anyone takes the British seriously after seeing Monty Python either? : Anyways, of the Finn writers Mika Waltari and his "Sinuhe" is probably the most famous, then there's Väinö Linna and "the unknown soldier", the latter one is something I'd recommend. : Ronnie
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