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Enneagram Type 4 Board Archive Re: stereotyped gender roles / "science" (somewhat 9gram related)Posted by Hal on December 23, 1998 at 09:55:24: In Reply to: stereotyped gender roles / "science" (somewhat 9gram related) posted by Derf on December 22, 1998 at 14:23:30: Some comments about a few of these--I'll try to keep it enneagram related. : 3. These "characteristics," as per the above statement, do not apply to men's and women's general personalities, but to the attitudes and "roles" they adapt in their *interaction* with each other. Is this not what the personality is? Wouldn't these stereotypes and societal expectations then influence your type, pushing you to have certain desires based on your sex? : 4. Here's what I mean by "stereotypes," translated to Enneagram-ese: average Ones, Threes, and Eights are called "men." They are, by this bias, workers and breadwinners - self-sufficient, pragmatic, and relatively uncaring. Average Nines and Twos are called "women." They are, by this bias, called nurturers - dependent, impractical, and relatively conscentious. Are there any statistics on the male/female ratio among different types? It may be that the majority of 1's, 3's, and 8's ARE men. If this is so, it could mean that society has pushed them towards this role, or it could indicate a genetic difference that influences type. Obviously I don't expect (and probably wouldn't accept) a definitive answer here because we just don't know. I haven't seen conclusive evidence in any direction on this. But it's something worth considering, and keeping an open mind about. : 9. I understand that cultural roles and models are necessary, but in the Western world, and particularly in the groups and individuals affected most by the information age, some cultural notions are sacred cows and illusory dinosaurs. Which cultural notions do you mean, and how do they apply to the information age? I work as an engineer, and the vast majority of engineers are men. The cultural notions behind this seem to have a solid footing in reality. I'm not saying that the women engineers are any better or worse than the men, just that there are very few of them. If the choice of profession is influenced by type (and I suspect that it is) then this does say something about gender and type. - Hal -
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