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Posted by Bartholomew on January 20, 2001 at 11:30:42:

In Reply to: Thank you posted by Elizabeth on January 19, 2001 at 22:06:13:

: : I am very appreciative of the response. The frame of mind/use of terms is different and I am initially resistant to the concept but honestly, it is not too far off from my own thinking. I have a particular problem with the idea it is meaning we are attempting to create/meaningless we are trying to avoid but at least I understand the reasoning a little better now.

: On a more personal note, I did have a deep existential crisis a few years ago and suffered a long, dry depression. Though I spent a lot of time focused on the meaningless of life and in pain over the loss of a belief in God, I think all of this stemmed from a basic crisis of an unwelcoming existance--> a life doesn't require meaning but fulfillment of biological need. I think evil is any force that works contrary to the force that drives life--> a force that would draw one to embrace death or deny life. Neurosis is the ultimate evil.

If you don't like looking at life that way, there's an easy solution. Don't. Here's one way to do that and still feel logical: life DOES require meaning. We act according to what we think is good and what we think is bad; our beliefs drive us. Whether we like it or not, the goal of each of our lives, which we adhere to absolutely, is to fulfil what we think is good and get rid of what we think is bad. All the major religious leaders were supposed to have done this. Jesus and Buddha come to mind. Zen buddhism preaches escaping the constant labeling of good and bad, thus coming to perfect peace, if you want another ideological option. There are plenty of world religions and organized philosophies with other ideas that you can take to heart. See? Instant meaning, just add yourself.

And if believing things that science preaches against is hard for you, you can either find different things to believe, or you can say that definite scientific truth does not exist. Here's one way how you can say that: Mistakes exist in some chains of logic, so we can never be certain that they are not present in any particular chain of logic. Therefore, the conclusions of logical thinking cannot be considered either definitely true or definitely false. And, any counter to this mistake theory could have a mistake in it somewhere. And yes, I could have a mistake in my reasoning somewhere here; but the idea that I have a mistake in my reasoning here could have a mistake in it. There is NOTHING for which the truth value is known, including this statement.

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: : : I am very appreciative of the response. The frame of mind/use of terms is different and I am initially resistant to the concept but honestly, it is not too far off from my own thinking. I have a particular problem with the idea it is meaning we are attempting to create/meaningless we are trying to avoid but at least I understand the reasoning a little better now. : : On a more personal note, I did have a deep existential crisis a few years ago and suffered a long, dry depression. Though I spent a lot of time focused on the meaningless of life and in pain over the loss of a belief in God, I think all of this stemmed from a basic crisis of an unwelcoming existance--> a life doesn't require meaning but fulfillment of biological need. I think evil is any force that works contrary to the force that drives life--> a force that would draw one to embrace death or deny life. Neurosis is the ultimate evil. : If you don't like looking at life that way, there's an easy solution. Don't. Here's one way to do that and still feel logical: life DOES require meaning. We act according to what we think is good and what we think is bad; our beliefs drive us. Whether we like it or not, the goal of each of our lives, which we adhere to absolutely, is to fulfil what we think is good and get rid of what we think is bad. All the major religious leaders were supposed to have done this. Jesus and Buddha come to mind. Zen buddhism preaches escaping the constant labeling of good and bad, thus coming to perfect peace, if you want another ideological option. There are plenty of world religions and organized philosophies with other ideas that you can take to heart. See? Instant meaning, just add yourself. : And if believing things that science preaches against is hard for you, you can either find different things to believe, or you can say that definite scientific truth does not exist. Here's one way how you can say that: Mistakes exist in some chains of logic, so we can never be certain that they are not present in any particular chain of logic. Therefore, the conclusions of logical thinking cannot be considered either definitely true or definitely false. And, any counter to this mistake theory could have a mistake in it somewhere. And yes, I could have a mistake in my reasoning somewhere here; but the idea that I have a mistake in my reasoning here could have a mistake in it. There is NOTHING for which the truth value is known, including this statement.

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