4-5 confusion

Posted by isaacthe54 on March 16, 2001 at 11:02:02:

In Reply to: You've misinterpreted a lot... posted by Eye of the Night on March 15, 2001 at 17:48:11:

ok, so gifted = REALLY smart. and that necessarily implies introversion? or just some of the time? even so, you can't equate the two. certainly, you can't say that introversion implies E5. (that would just be silly.) being REALLY smart doesn't imply e5, either. you haven't made a very good case for being a 5, and every word you type convinces me more and more that you're a 45.

you claim not to care about your uniqueness. i find that hard to believe. the FIRST thing you posted here, (as far as i know), and the entire contents of that message, was "gee, i'm unique, eh?"
yes, that's rather un54ish. as bri said, DINGDINGDINGDING goes the 4 bell, and the lights and the "johnny, whaduzee win?"

4) helping, you cite your empathy, etc

:That's because I'm an INFP ...and I honestly don't see why a single small detail as that could mean I wouldn't be a five.

that's why ra said that you can't be a 5 and an infp. i don't know that i'd agree necessarily, but certainly, it's a combonation that seems fishy. it's not a "single small detail", it's a radical shift in motivation and focus from that which is predicted by the 5type. and, it makes perfect sense and is explained perfectly by the 4type.

5s repress their emotions. that's not a single small thing, that's as important to being a 5 as fear is to being a 6 or perfection is to a 1. that's EVERYTHING, you see. that's how a 5 can be objective. since you don't do that, you are not a 5. you couldn't say that someone was a 6 if they had no fear or anxiety, or that someone was a 3, but not competitive. (i actually saw a 3 claim to not be competitive once. my mom4 told my dad3 that she's a lot less competitive than him, and of course, he fell right into it.)

: I have a strong 4-wing, but I also have traits of 6's and 8's. Quite a lot, really, but not as much as 4's or 5's...traits of 1's and 2's I have about as much as traits of 6's and 8's...The only 2 I have very little traits of are 3 and 7...yet 3 is adjacent to 4, so it would be odd for me to be a 4, then, wouldn't it?

this is also indicative of a basic misunderstanding of the system. your focus is on "traits" rather than personality. there are a lot of common traits between any 2 types, and it's easy to get confused. it doesn't help that external traits are the bulk of all the information you can get about a type. but the real understanding comes when you see PAST the traits to the types; look past the "what" to the "why", so to speak. (as a 4, i'm sure this notion appeals to you.)

wings are not strong or weak. this is a common misconception. there are simply 18 personality types, broken into 9 groups of 2. the wing is not a "thing" stuck to your mind which can be stronger or weaker. in some situations, you will act more or less like your wing, to be sure. however, it's more accurate to say that there are simply 2 different subtypes of each of the 9 types.

the 468 connection is very strong, esp with respect to external traits. they are in the same obsession triad of truth/honesty. a 5, especially a 54, would likely have very little in common with 6 (except for some very deep buried fear motivations, but they would approach their fear in radically different ways.) 5s also typically score high on the 7 scale, because of the connection thru the disintegration line. however, 4 is only connected to 7 by virtue of being in the same object relation triad, which is a very very weak connection. (same goes for 5-2.) you however also talk about a strong connection to 1 and 2, which would be easily explained by a connection thru the dis/integration lines. (like a 5 would have to 7 and 8.)

you seem to think that adjacency matters for anything. it doesn't. the types all lie next to types that are the diametric opposite in some way to their main type. this is why the wing "finishes" the description of a type, by filling in the gaps in the main archetype. a 45 is so radically different from a 3, it's not funny. however, 135 are connected by being in the same obsession triad (like 468) and would likely have more in common than a 4 and a 3.

you see, your argument just points more and more towards you being a 4!

: I value truth nearly above all else...equal to harmony, and moral perfection the highest. A sort of introverted perfectionism...with a lot of thought.

that's so 4, my teeth hurt.

a good question to ask yourself might be: why do you want to be a 5 so badly? what is so objectionable about being a 4? by denying what we really are, we only perpetuate the agony of missing our true genius. you can never develope into a healthy 4 if you do not know what this is. maybe you are denying your true nature so that you can AVOID integrating; it is not uncommon for 4s to unintentionally mislead themselves as to their own nature so that they can continue the "search for themselves" a little longer. only if you put aside this and admit your demons will you ever grow.

see, now, did that paragraph appeal to you at all? or did you find it to be total fluff and hippy crap with no bearing on reality whatsoever? this is yet another argument for you being a 4, if you even understood what i was talking about there. :) i meant it tho. and you should study other descriptions of 4s, since you probably picked up a bad one somewhere.

isaac

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