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Enneagram Type 5 Board Archive your so hard.have you no love for me?tell me more,i'm listening.Posted by dean on April 27, 2001 at 21:40:54: In Reply to: Still can't believe this... posted by RoTtEn LiZ on April 27, 2001 at 14:47:03: i'm guilty of being a five,what can i say.so maybe i,m looking at it too much like a machine.you started to tell me why you thought otherwise and i found it very interesting.tell me more. : My God… where do I even begin? Is it even worth my effort? You have built theoretical constructs on top of theoretical constructs on top of theoretical constructs… getting increasingly ridiculous with each step away from the source material. : The id is the unconscious. : All are distinct from the external other. : A developing human mind goes through a process called differentiation that is very central to the way our personality develops. Prior to differentiation there is no distinction between self and other. There are only needs based on instinct and development which will be satisfied or frustrated (perhaps even blocked) in varying degrees. : Differentiation and the formation of a sense of self (ego development) is a slow process. It requires a great deal of mirroring, wake testing, and other feedback from the external other. : Feelings are communication between the instinctive and emotional drives of the id and the often conflicting internalized instinctive and emotional drives of the superego, the internalized other. A properly formed ego stands between the two and acts as the decision maker, balancing these needs and drives to determine the will (desires of the self in relation to the external other). The self acts in relation to the external other via the will and expression of feelings is often used to communicate the will of the self to the external other. Successful communication is empathy. : Reason is another tool to aid the ego in differentiating and determining the drives of the id and drives of the superego. When used as a means of relating the self to the external other and making decisions regarding the will… this is theory of mind. : I’m getting really bored with this… setting up soooooooooo much background before even stepping into the types themselves. Anyway, your key errors are confusing internal relations with external relations… ignoring the nature of introversion and extraversion with regard to object relations… using language based associations where the concepts are mismatched or at least imprecise matches… etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Maybe I'll find the energy to come back to this later... probably not.
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