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Posted by B.O.T.E. on August 08, 2000 at 22:56:19:

In Reply to: Dave? Share some thoughts on this, if so inclined. (n/t) posted by Interesting topic: B.O.T.E. on August 07, 2000 at 22:18:32:

he bottom of the enneagram is a void, between points 4 & 5, which is opposite point 9 at the top. All types are derivatives of 9, the
"falling asleep" of oneself to one's true nature. At the best we all achieve union that is the high point of 9. Union with our essence and
connection to that which is greater than ourselves.

The void is the point of absence of the awareness of our essence, and the loss of our true nature. In the enneagram of process we
migrate from points 1 to 9. The void represents an internal shift from being swallowed by our emotions (at 4) to leaping the void and
utilizing our mind and will to direct our lives (at 5).

Many 4's & 5's confuse apathy with serenity, personal ego
with ego detachment, loss of self with loss of ego, etc. They obtain a pseudo 9 union. Many 9's also confuse these also.

I mention Dave because he seems knowledgeable about Ichazo/Arica and other
aspects of Enneagon/Enneagram subtleties. My curiosity about the void and
the Robin's post is: if instead of "jumping" to 4 or 5, one experiences or
becomes aware that by not "jumping," a 4 or 5 can realize that the void
exists and also that it is essence or being. Is that a necessary and
sufficient " A-HA" or is some more active (gut) response required. Perhaps
the awareness is a first step. Having made it, the fixation loses its grip
and active will is more accessible. If I understood Robin's post it sounds
like the void "contains" essence: Q.E.D. or is it the view obtained briefly
when one jumps up and looks over a fence for an instant. Correct me Robin if
I am misunderstanding. I am not quibbling, just curious. The topic seems
germane to much board activity (understanding self, understanding the universe
as we know it.) Insight or action?

Follow Ups:

Hi B.O.T.E. Robin 10:59:37 08/09/00 (5)
- void and pseudo-void Dave 13:10:08 08/09/00 (4)
  - Howdy Dave... Robin 16:21:28 08/09/00 (1)
    - Re: Howdy Robin Dave 07:37:26 08/10/00 (0)
  - Re: void and pseudo-void, addendum Dave 15:01:14 08/09/00 (1)
    - Thanx to both and about Spiritual Directors (guides) B.O.T.E. 21:54:45 08/09/00 (0)

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: he bottom of the enneagram is a void, between points 4 & 5, which is opposite point 9 at the top. All types are derivatives of 9, the : "falling asleep" of oneself to one's true nature. At the best we all achieve union that is the high point of 9. Union with our essence and : connection to that which is greater than ourselves. : The void is the point of absence of the awareness of our essence, and the loss of our true nature. In the enneagram of process we : migrate from points 1 to 9. The void represents an internal shift from being swallowed by our emotions (at 4) to leaping the void and : utilizing our mind and will to direct our lives (at 5). : Many 4's & 5's confuse apathy with serenity, personal ego : with ego detachment, loss of self with loss of ego, etc. They obtain a pseudo 9 union. Many 9's also confuse these also. : <HR> : I mention Dave because he seems knowledgeable about Ichazo/Arica and other : aspects of Enneagon/Enneagram subtleties. My curiosity about the void and : the Robin's post is: if instead of "jumping" to 4 or 5, one experiences or : becomes aware that by not "jumping," a 4 or 5 can realize that the void : exists and also that it is essence or being. Is that a necessary and : sufficient " A-HA" or is some more active (gut) response required. Perhaps : the awareness is a first step. Having made it, the fixation loses its grip : and active will is more accessible. If I understood Robin's post it sounds : like the void "contains" essence: Q.E.D. or is it the view obtained briefly : when one jumps up and looks over a fence for an instant. Correct me Robin if : I am misunderstanding. I am not quibbling, just curious. The topic seems : germane to much board activity (understanding self, understanding the universe : as we know it.) Insight or action?

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