Yes, envy is a terrible thing /nt

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: : Of course I am going to jump in on this one. : : I don't think the feminism project is complete yet, Cory. Some territory has been gained, just enough to let a lot of women who have benefitted from the changes that came through in the 70s to have no concept of what life was like before then. And so their argument is that they don't need feminism, do not describe themselves as feminists and often think it's a dirty word. : : I have sat in workplaces and watched pretty, young, unqualified, incompetent women charm the pants off everything that moves and get everyone else to do their jobs for them while I am constantly being hauled into the boss's office to get yet another talking to about my attitude. It is very difficult working with teams of men who can see your delightful colleague who will go out of their way to make coffee, organise restaurant bookings and generally act like a 1950s secretary and wonder why you can't just be "nice" like that. Umm, well, because that's not what I'm paid to do and because it's a waste of my time, intelligence and talent. : : If they want me to refill the photocopier, and think that's a sensible way for someone on my hourly rate to be spending their time, well so be it. But I have a problem with that. I think I have a right to have a problem with that. : : I don't have an easy time with society. I am learning to aproach things a little differently - to just pull back and not get involved rather than standing up and asserting my opinion. If I had a dick, they'd be slapping my back and fast tracking my career path. : : I'm sure that 2 males have the exact opposite problem. : : : : : Yes, I definitely agree with that. Being a withdrawn, sensitive, intellectual male with not enough self-confidence is a BAD thing in society. I'm expected to be outgoing, strong, practical, and self-confident (the archetypal 8). This is especially difficult when it comes to relationships because most women don't want someone like me, and those that do wait for me to make the moves on them even though I'm scared to death that I will fail miserably and end up looking stupid. : : : In my opinion, I think female 5s and 8s might have a slightly easier time with society. Maybe in the past before the days of equality and feminism, it was probably much worse, but the strong, independent woman is becoming more accepted. They're still victims of the social expectations of being vulnerable and rescuing though (the archetypal 2). : : : -Cory : : : : here a few thoughts on typing and gender drawn from my own experience and observations. Ther is indeed a strong cultural influence uppon self-image, and self-image is something built by our subconscious to fulfill specific needs and has little to do with who we really are.... : : : : Thus it is harder in our society for a female to be a 5 or a 8, for their overall caracteristics are usually described as masculine, on the other hand it is harder for a male to be a 2 or a 4 since males are expected to reflect an image opposite to these types.... It is so easy for a female to play the weak one needing protection while autonomy and independance of thought are so often black mailed. I have coached both male and female 4s and have noticed this big difference generated by collective beliefs.

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