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Posted by Cory on August 13, 2000 at 00:02:28:

In Reply to: Re: 5 with 4 wing or 4 with 5 wing posted by Zen Cowgirl on August 12, 2000 at 22:58:43:

While the value of my post's contribution to this board is rather light, I do feel compelled to respond to yours, since it hits rather close to home. In the past few days I've come to realize I am a 5w4, not a 4w5 as I have previously thought. I'm only 19, but looking at my life in totality, I've only been Fourish since I started becoming a teenager. There's many more reasons why I'm a Five and not a Four but the ones I share with you...

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: I'm a 5 with a strong 4 wing, and when I was going through all of the turbulence of adolescence and young adulthood, I acted more like a 4 than a 5. For several years, I thought I was a 4 with a 5 wing. When I was a young child, however, my 5 tendencies were *very* marked,

Same with me. As a child I was very Fiveish - chemistry sets, microscopes, telescopes, an interest in science and learning. I was deathly afraid of the ocean (had 2 near-drowning experiences at age three) but yet wanted to study the ocean more than anything. This would be a Five's motivation, don't you think? Afraid of something so you study it and try to "master" it.

: and as I headed into my mid- and late-20s I returned--without really trying--to acting like a 5. I do have some 4 tendencies--creativity, intuition, the occasional mood swings, and I'm known to some people for being artsy and eccentric. But the 5 frame of mind--that habit of detatching and analyzing--prevails.

Well, like I said I'm only 19 so I'll just have to wait and see. But the Four tendencies you describe are present in me as well, set against a Five background.

: I do have very intense and turbulent emotional life, which had me convinced I was a 4 until I realized that nobody else I knew had a clue about it!

Riso and Hudson say multiple times in their descriptions of 5w4 that they can be very emotional inside. Thing is, I didn't pay too much attention to that. I'm very emotional but not too many people know it. Case in point, I asked my sister and my mother what enneagram type I am after giving them some brief descriptions. Both said they were sure I was a Five. I mentioned Four to them and they didn't see it in me at all.

: Though I can be temperamental, most people I know see me as being rather cool and laid-back, because I rarely show what's going on beneath the surface. That I see myself as being overly emotional while everyone else thinks I'm a wee bit frosty sounds pretty darn 5-ish to me!

Yes, and on a similar note, I see myself as a very nice guy while the input that others have given me says I'm aloof and impersonal!

: I think the 4 manner of dealing with such a terrible event would have been to let the grief show in a much more outward fashion, without the simultaneous "rational dialogue."

I agree. I don't think we can really hide our enneagram type. If its the principal source of all our troubles and treasures, then it must be pretty obvious to the world.

-Cory

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Re: You're so much like me Zen Cowgirl 02:24:31 08/13/00 (15)
- Re: You're so much like me synewton 11:16:41 08/13/00 (14)
  - Re: You're so much like me Heidi 12:49:50 08/13/00 (13)
    - Re: You're so much like me Zen Cowgirl 13:59:55 08/13/00 (0)
    - momentary lapse of reason... Heidi 13:01:37 08/13/00 (11)
      - Re: momentary lapse of reason... Zen Cowgirl 15:19:28 08/13/00 (9)
        
        Re: momentary lapse of reason... Heidi 16:22:02 08/13/00 (8)
        
        Re: momentary lapse of reason... Ana 18:37:05 08/14/00 (0)
        
        Re: momentary lapse of reason... Zen Cowgirl 17:24:36 08/14/00 (1)
        
        Re: momentary lapse of reason... Heidi 21:18:35 08/14/00 (0)
        
        tomboys?? jen 19:42:25 08/13/00 (4)
        
        Re: tomboys?? Laurence 08:47:15 08/15/00 (0)
        
        Re: tomboys?? Heidi 03:19:57 08/15/00 (1)
        
        Re: tomboys?? jen 13:53:12 08/15/00 (0)
        
        So can a male 5w4 jump in? WingPrayer 16:13:33 08/14/00 (0)
      - Re: momentary lapse of reason... Robin 14:37:23 08/13/00 (0)

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: While the value of my post's contribution to this board is rather light, I do feel compelled to respond to yours, since it hits rather close to home. In the past few days I've come to realize I am a 5w4, not a 4w5 as I have previously thought. I'm only 19, but looking at my life in totality, I've only been Fourish since I started becoming a teenager. There's many more reasons why I'm a Five and not a Four but the ones I share with you... : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : I'm a 5 with a strong 4 wing, and when I was going through all of the turbulence of adolescence and young adulthood, I acted more like a 4 than a 5. For several years, I thought I was a 4 with a 5 wing. When I was a young child, however, my 5 tendencies were *very* marked, : Same with me. As a child I was very Fiveish - chemistry sets, microscopes, telescopes, an interest in science and learning. I was deathly afraid of the ocean (had 2 near-drowning experiences at age three) but yet wanted to study the ocean more than anything. This would be a Five's motivation, don't you think? Afraid of something so you study it and try to "master" it. : : and as I headed into my mid- and late-20s I returned--without really trying--to acting like a 5. I do have some 4 tendencies--creativity, intuition, the occasional mood swings, and I'm known to some people for being artsy and eccentric. But the 5 frame of mind--that habit of detatching and analyzing--prevails. : Well, like I said I'm only 19 so I'll just have to wait and see. But the Four tendencies you describe are present in me as well, set against a Five background. : : I do have very intense and turbulent emotional life, which had me convinced I was a 4 until I realized that nobody else I knew had a clue about it! : Riso and Hudson say multiple times in their descriptions of 5w4 that they can be very emotional inside. Thing is, I didn't pay too much attention to that. I'm very emotional but not too many people know it. Case in point, I asked my sister and my mother what enneagram type I am after giving them some brief descriptions. Both said they were sure I was a Five. I mentioned Four to them and they didn't see it in me at all. : : Though I can be temperamental, most people I know see me as being rather cool and laid-back, because I rarely show what's going on beneath the surface. That I see myself as being overly emotional while everyone else thinks I'm a wee bit frosty sounds pretty darn 5-ish to me! : Yes, and on a similar note, I see myself as a very nice guy while the input that others have given me says I'm aloof and impersonal! : : I think the 4 manner of dealing with such a terrible event would have been to let the grief show in a much more outward fashion, without the simultaneous "rational dialogue." : I agree. I don't think we can really hide our enneagram type. If its the principal source of all our troubles and treasures, then it must be pretty obvious to the world. : -Cory

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