Re: Jumping in with some irritating comments

Posted by MAverick on May 25, 2001 at 14:15:11:

In Reply to: Jumping in with some irritating comments posted by Bartholomew on May 22, 2001 at 15:55:32:

BArt,

Thanks for the irritating comments! :-) Actually I idn't really find any of them irritating at all--quite the opposite. You are quiite coorect(Noter to Isaac:and not JUST becasue he deisagrees with you to some extent).

BArt, I believe those two absolutes you mentioned make you a 5:5's are vulnerab;e to others(need to withdraw and detach) and they seek for truth(must understand the world;gain knowledge). Gaining knowledge helps protect from other people(I have power and thus feel less threatened).No other type on the enegram can said to be desacribed by both traits except the 1--they feel vulnerable to others ikn the sense that they fear they may appear less than perfect or wrong before them and they feel the need for truth(as defined in a moral sense). I say 5 simply becasue I have seen enough of your postings to know which of the two is much more likely.

Cheers!

MAverick

: The problem I have about type absolutism is that the types don't really have any absolute qualifiers. There is no characteristic that all eights have and none of the other types have. Most Enneagram books admit that under certain situations, people can temporarily find themselves acting, feeling, and believing like other types. People determine their type by how much their personality resembles each of the nine types. They match many different characteristics, and the one with the most matches is the one they pick.

: I have two absolute characteristics that govern me (I am vulnerable to other people, and I need truth governing everything), but when I posted a question of what type it would make me, no one could give an answer. That tells me that no one is used to typing from absolute underlying characteristics. That means that even if there is an Enneagram theory that would absolutely classify people by motivation, no one uses it.

: The Enneagram, as people use it, is just an approximation of personality, and type, as people use it, is not fixed. Isaac, maybe you have a better way of using it, but I haven't seen anything you've said to that effect.

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