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Posted by WingPrayer on September 14, 2000 at 13:17:53:

In Reply to: yes, it should. (more...) posted by isaacthe54 on September 13, 2000 at 21:33:53:

": "oh, but look at what i've done for you??(with crying eyes)"
: you've done it for you, to feel good about yourself.
: i'm the only person who does things for me. other people who do things for me do it for their own best interest."

I've never really found this position concincing. That MANY people perform supposedly unshelfish acts from a selfish position does not mean that ALL such acts are done selfishly. All that is needed is to find one example to prove the negative assumption (to prove it wrong). I will agree however that the majority of what parades as philanthropy (or what not) may well be merely unhealthy relationships or expoitation.

": this is clearly seen as a part of the 5 mentality, i feel."

Please explain.

"it's most effecient to let others take care of themselves, and takes less away from my self-reliance."

But there are certainly times when people can not take care of themselves. A person in an accident presents immediate and long term example. I am also not sure why it takes away from YOUR self-relience. It may, if it is an unhealthy relationship, but again, all need not be.

"i think it's also interesting that 5s tend to get along great with 7s (it seems every five i meet comes equiped with one)"

I think my wife is a 7, but I'm not sure. Are 7's harder to type than others?

"but tend to be wholly unimpressed by 2s"

wracking my brain, trying to think of a 2. :)

"the helper is often the needy one."

This is true, and again I think it can be undertaken in a healthy or unhealthy way. Peoples streghts and weaknesses are always connected. It is a matter of moving to strenght (or healthy) from weakness or unhealhty.

"society values teh caretaker unconditionally becasue society is stupid."

I'll agree that society is stupid, but I do not think the value is unconditional. It is wrapped in a welter of inconsistency, that is the problem.

"society doesn't value the empoweror nearly as much."

I really question the notion of the empoweror. If you can grant a true empoweror, it seems you need to grant a true cartaker, otherwise what is empowering? What is called empowering in this society is quite simply rapaciousness.

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: ": "oh, but look at what i've done for you??(with crying eyes)" : : you've done it for you, to feel good about yourself. : : i'm the only person who does things for me. other people who do things for me do it for their own best interest." : I've never really found this position concincing. That MANY people perform supposedly unshelfish acts from a selfish position does not mean that ALL such acts are done selfishly. All that is needed is to find one example to prove the negative assumption (to prove it wrong). I will agree however that the majority of what parades as philanthropy (or what not) may well be merely unhealthy relationships or expoitation. : ": this is clearly seen as a part of the 5 mentality, i feel." : Please explain. : "it's most effecient to let others take care of themselves, and takes less away from my self-reliance." : But there are certainly times when people can not take care of themselves. A person in an accident presents immediate and long term example. I am also not sure why it takes away from YOUR self-relience. It may, if it is an unhealthy relationship, but again, all need not be. : "i think it's also interesting that 5s tend to get along great with 7s (it seems every five i meet comes equiped with one)" : I think my wife is a 7, but I'm not sure. Are 7's harder to type than others? : "but tend to be wholly unimpressed by 2s" : wracking my brain, trying to think of a 2. :) : : "the helper is often the needy one." : This is true, and again I think it can be undertaken in a healthy or unhealthy way. Peoples streghts and weaknesses are always connected. It is a matter of moving to strenght (or healthy) from weakness or unhealhty. : "society values teh caretaker unconditionally becasue society is stupid." : I'll agree that society is stupid, but I do not think the value is unconditional. It is wrapped in a welter of inconsistency, that is the problem. : "society doesn't value the empoweror nearly as much." : I really question the notion of the empoweror. If you can grant a true empoweror, it seems you need to grant a true cartaker, otherwise what is empowering? What is called empowering in this society is quite simply rapaciousness. : :)

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