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Posted by Sambersil on September 17, 2000 at 00:04:03:

In Reply to: perception, intentionality, and thinking posted by isaacthe54 on September 16, 2000 at 06:23:59:

Ok... First, we need to get one thing straight. Knowledge is a form of information, and I do not consider knowledge to be apart from it. I consider only one type of knowledge to be apart from information: the knowledge that the information is coming in.

When I use the word "perception" in a philosophical manner, I mean any information. Not just sensory perceptions are included here, but also memory, the perception of thought, and all other feelings, internal or external.

The interpretation of information is a type of information in itself. To use your "dog" example, when we read the word "dog", we receive three types of information almost at once: the letters d-o-g, the information "dog" and all that entails, and the (mental) sound DAWG. When we don't know a language, we just get the letters, and maybe the sound, though the sound might not match the correct pronunciation. If we look close, we might also get the letter shapes and the color of the letters and the pixels that make up the letters and so on.

Interpretation of information is nothing special, nothing more than the information the interpretation stems from.

A word on beliefs: I believe a lot of stuff! I just don't pretend it has to be true. There is no logical reason I know yet why we should not believe things. I don't say that belief is bad, I just say we should recognize belief for what it is and differentiate it from logic.

I take it you HAVE read my stuff on why action is a belief and not a logical necessity, and so thought needn't truly be there. I just want to remind you again.

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And as always, although I haven't stated this enough, ruling over both logic and belief is the uncertainty of everything. Whatever we conclude, we could have made a mistake somewhere. There is no possible argument to this because the argument could have a mistake in it somewhere. This doesn't change anything, because there is no way to deal with it. We cannot rationally assume that anything is uncertain, because that assumption is a certainty, and we cannot rationally assume that anything is certain, because it could have a mistake in it somewhere. We might go on doing what we do, but maybe that's wrong. We might change everything, but maybe that's wrong too. I personally forget about it and do what I like, because that feels right.


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