shoulda known a joke would turn into a study on this board... lol

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: ok, the data i could dig up quickly... : 54 : mother 45 : father 32 : younger sister (1 year) 67 : 54 : mother 91 : father 19 (or 34?) : older sister 34 : 56 : father 8? : mother 56 : several older siblings, second youngest is 7 years older : among them is 56 with same parents, 76 older brother : 54 : father gone : mother 4(3?5) : older brother 89 : cousin (close and same age) 76 : it's hard to do much with this little bit of data, but i have a somewhat squishy theory regarding the "generation" of personality type. it seems that you learn, very very early, a personality that is compatible and responsive to those around you. groups of siblings tend to be the same sorts of types that archetypically attract one another. : i think it's silly to think that siblings have the same parents, and thusly, the same upbringing. i've noticed that all the (3+4)=5 people that i've met were either only children or oldest. my sister, 67, would likely not have been a 67 unless she had an older sibling to be jealous of, and who was always confident and a sort of "secondary" authority figure to fixate on. if i hadn't learned early on that i'm essentially alone in this game and gotten used to it, maybe i wouldn't be a 5. i'm not proposing to have really solid conclusions here, just that personality starts getting developed early, and is not totally inborn. : riso talks a lot about this in "personality types." while i think he may be on the right track in what he's investigating, i think that he tends to present his conclusions as if he's absolutely sure he's right, and sometiems his conclusions are total bs. i dont' think you can accurately say that all 6s are 6s becasue they were positively fixated on the father, or that a 7 wing means that that 6 was also negatively fixated on the mother. (tho, from a freudian pov, these types do sometimes have a +/- fixation on the *archetype* of the father or mother, and if i remember correctly, that's what he's really getting at there. ie, you may have a "positive fixation on the father", but that "father" may have been your female parent.) : some archetypical relationships are spelled out nicely on the enneagram. since 5s are the people that matter :) these are the ones ive seen surrounding us. : every 5 i know has a close 7. usually only one 7 that they are devoutly loyal to, best friends with, married to, whatever. : 5s tend to click well with 9s. (i've dated 9s exclusively, not on purpose.) : seems 5s don't care about or are annoyed by 2s a lot fo the time. (i only know the 2s that i do because of professional or academic relationships) : 6es. my sister is a 6 (and can't get away from 5s), one of my best friends is a 6. they tend to respect the confidence that 5s project, i think. plus, a 6 tries to get anyone that they're with to act like an 8, and that is good for a 5. : 4s... all of hte 5s i know have things with 4s, plus there has been talk on the board about 5s dating 4s a lot. i don't know any 4s closely, really, cause i think i tend to annoy them, but i like them, and my mother is one. : 8s... i really like the 8s that i do know, but i dont' know many. i like not having to be in charge of getting things done, and another person to take care of that is great. plus, an 8 will throw down intellectually and fight hard in a debate, which i love. unlike 6s, tho, when you find an 8, you usually only find one, since they keep eachother at arms length. : 3s... my father is a 3. i really admire 3s in a lot of ways, but i have to keep reminding myself that talking to this person seriously is a stupid idea. they're fun to play with, tho, and they get shit done. : my 8 friend pointed out to me recently that the harry potter books are a 54, 76, and 89, which happens to be the types of me, her, and jim, who is my best friend from childhood and her boyfriend. : another good 5 archetypical trio is a 54, 76, and 67. the animaniacs are this trio. i always loved that show, cause it's the cartoon version of me, my best friend, and my sister growing up. : if any of you are familiar with the kevin smith movies, silent bob and jay are another good example of the 54/76 relationship. jay bounces and bounces and talks lots of shit. bob doesn't say anything. then, bob does say something, and jay instantly responds. indeed, what bob says is the whole thesis of the movie, the one thing that needed to be said. they are also fiercely loyal to one another, and always just have a blast with no badness ever, cause they understand eachother without saying a lot fo crap. (of course, kevin smith is writing the character he would love to be, and since he's a 5, that's the epitome of enlightened 5ness that is silent bob.) : ok, i gotta go back to writing my prospectus. : isaac

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