Posted by JP on October 27, 2001 at 12:40:58:
In Reply to: Re: This posted by Primer Gray on October 27, 2001 at 12:33:04:
: : : : http://www.9types.com/type5board/messages/5973.html
: : : Ok, repeating it sort of bypasses the whole "so what are you trying to say" nature of my question. How about rephrasing instead?
: : --"Would you be this defensive if you weren't unconsciously afraid of something?" -- to Liz
: : --"It's not about fear" (not a direct quotation) -- Liz
: : --"Have fun trying to lie to yourself...." -- me to Liz
: : "You are also afraid of me, judging by your follow-up to Liz. Sometimes Fives connect to Eight when they are feeling threatened but untouchable in some way (in this case because of the method of interaction). And here both you and Liz react in this way. Please don't tell me that I don't know what is going on, because I do know very well." -- My comment to you, about Liz's reply to me.
: : You can understand what the point is beased on that. And please don't think about trying to use your "oh but it was only a humourous post!" approach you already gave signs of below. If you try that, you'll only make a fool out of yourself.
: :
: : Mikko
: Ugh.... It's always fun when someone says "You're being defensive" which typically generates the "No I'm not" response as it usually comes out of the blue and hits a reflexive response. Of course, once the "no I'm not" answer is given, it sets up the "See, if you weren't being defensive, you wouldn't be denying it. Look at you lie to yourself how defensive you're being."
: Now, my question shouldn't have been "what's your point?". I'll give you that. My question should have been more along the lines of what is your point throughout the entire thread. What is the point of going around telling people they are defensive and then calling them liars if they say they aren't?
: Oh, and I love that last sentence...of course, 5's are stereotypically afraid of making fools of themselves. Still, I did think Liz's post was funny. There might be many reasons on many levels why I giggled at that...in addition to the fact that the expression on her face belied a completely different sentiment than the gesture. The crooked glasses, and bemused smile in combination with the gesture made me laugh. It was cute to me, ok? I suppose that you're point related to this is that one of those levels might be fear of you reading my like a book or something, at least that's all I can glean that you are saying is my fear. It's possible, I suppose. There are a lot of layers and when anyone laughs at something there are countless reasons why they think it's funny. On a surface level, someone being hit with a pie in the face is just funny. On another level, it's funny due to the unexpected nature of the event. Another, it is because the person is dignified and dressed well. On another, it is due to class struggle. The people in the audience are not wealthy so they laugh that the person like the one that owns the company they work for could be reduced to common human status by something as simple as a pie in the face.
: I'm not clear on what threat you believe you pose, but I guess I'm not going to be. You seem to have this whole "fear and defensiveness" agenda and that's great. Why do you feel the need to press that? Is that your own fears that forces you to point out what you percieve as fear in others?