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Posted by isaac on October 30, 2001 at 11:07:35:

In Reply to: Re: Virtue of selfishness - Rah, Rah for Ayn NT posted by DanK on October 29, 2001 at 22:40:57:

what i've found, as a 5 since i've never been anything else, is that there are always going to be exceptions to the "types i odn't like" rule. there are a few 2s i know that i am in awe of. anyone, if they're healthy enough, is going to be awesome and amazing and a joy to be around. (unless you're not healthy yourself, in which case you may find that you're left dissatisfied cause they won't play your unheatlhy games with you.) and anyone of any type (even the types you like the most) is going to be really bad (and even dangerous) to be around when they're unhealthy.

so that leaves the average range. after all, most of the time, most people are about middle-range health, including you, probably. (haha, the voice in the back of the croud pipes up, "oh, but not me tho, cause i'm enlightened, right?") the question, i've found, that's relevant here is how you and a person of another type affect one another when you're both in the average range of mental health. what kind of psychological service to the two of you do for one another? do they ask you to be more healthy, or more unhealthy? is it easy to comply? and what do you ask of them?

i find that i absolutely love being around other 5s. i love them most when they're healthy, and hate them most when they're not, cause i see myself in them, and thus everything i love and hate about myself. i almost get something of a sick entertainment out of watching a really unhealthy 5 in action, but there's only so much i can take. but a good example of this whole social/psychological trading that we've been discussing in our nerdery recently is the 5-6 interaction. as i've said before, my 6es are worth their weight in gold to me. more, even, cause if i had a few hundred pounds of gold lying around, i'd probably not know what to do with it without the aid of a 6's practicality :)

they ask that i take charge, by the simple fact that they come to me for my intellect. my reason calms their anxiety, and they feel safe. in return, i get someone whose mind is certainly in the present, who is willing to throw themselves at any mission, and will bring water and a flashlight and remind me to put gas in the car. it's a great complimentary relationship, a trade for mutual benefit where i get to be a little more 8ish and they get to be a little more 9ish. it *feels good* to integrate, and it's *hard to do*. by our very nature, we crave integration, but are halted by our own deep-seated ignorance and fear of what we have to do. people that aid in this process are the best, the ONLY, kinds of friends to have. a neat thing about psychological health is that someone who is really heatlhy will tend to raise the psychological health of those around him, and vice-versa for a neurotic person.

understanding someone else's type's pov is usually the surest way to realize the foolishness in hating a type indiscriminately. i do notice however, that i tend to really piss off the majority of the 2s that i talk to, but usually in such a way that they're not sure how to deal with it. (haha, usually it's by nicely telling them that they should really be more self-absorbed and stop trying to fix anyone else so they can sit down and fix themselves, like a good little 4. a 23 i know once was bitching about how her 78 boyfriend doesn't appreciate her. i said, "look, no matter HOW nice you are, people won't love you for that, ever. the won't love you until you love yourself." "oh, but i do love myself!" "do you show yourself that as vehemently as you show everyone else how much you love them? hell, you cheat yourself in every deal you get into. if i were you, i'd be pretty pissed at you." i meant it as a joke, but i don't think she got it.) and in general, i find that i don't really want what they want to offer, and the price of being valuable to one another is so high that i'm not really interested. and i have a history of bad interactions with unhealthy 9s. damn ego-leeches. not that all 9s are bad. lots of good 9s out there.

isaac

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: what i've found, as a 5 since i've never been anything else, is that there are always going to be exceptions to the "types i odn't like" rule. there are a few 2s i know that i am in awe of. anyone, if they're healthy enough, is going to be awesome and amazing and a joy to be around. (unless you're not healthy yourself, in which case you may find that you're left dissatisfied cause they won't play your unheatlhy games with you.) and anyone of any type (even the types you like the most) is going to be really bad (and even dangerous) to be around when they're unhealthy. : so that leaves the average range. after all, most of the time, most people are about middle-range health, including you, probably. (haha, the voice in the back of the croud pipes up, "oh, but not me tho, cause i'm enlightened, right?") the question, i've found, that's relevant here is how you and a person of another type affect one another when you're both in the average range of mental health. what kind of psychological service to the two of you do for one another? do they ask you to be more healthy, or more unhealthy? is it easy to comply? and what do you ask of them? : i find that i absolutely love being around other 5s. i love them most when they're healthy, and hate them most when they're not, cause i see myself in them, and thus everything i love and hate about myself. i almost get something of a sick entertainment out of watching a really unhealthy 5 in action, but there's only so much i can take. but a good example of this whole social/psychological trading that we've been discussing in our nerdery recently is the 5-6 interaction. as i've said before, my 6es are worth their weight in gold to me. more, even, cause if i had a few hundred pounds of gold lying around, i'd probably not know what to do with it without the aid of a 6's practicality :) : they ask that i take charge, by the simple fact that they come to me for my intellect. my reason calms their anxiety, and they feel safe. in return, i get someone whose mind is certainly in the present, who is willing to throw themselves at any mission, and will bring water and a flashlight and remind me to put gas in the car. it's a great complimentary relationship, a trade for mutual benefit where i get to be a little more 8ish and they get to be a little more 9ish. it *feels good* to integrate, and it's *hard to do*. by our very nature, we crave integration, but are halted by our own deep-seated ignorance and fear of what we have to do. people that aid in this process are the best, the ONLY, kinds of friends to have. a neat thing about psychological health is that someone who is really heatlhy will tend to raise the psychological health of those around him, and vice-versa for a neurotic person. : understanding someone else's type's pov is usually the surest way to realize the foolishness in hating a type indiscriminately. i do notice however, that i tend to really piss off the majority of the 2s that i talk to, but usually in such a way that they're not sure how to deal with it. (haha, usually it's by nicely telling them that they should really be more self-absorbed and stop trying to fix anyone else so they can sit down and fix themselves, like a good little 4. a 23 i know once was bitching about how her 78 boyfriend doesn't appreciate her. i said, "look, no matter HOW nice you are, people won't love you for that, ever. the won't love you until you love yourself." "oh, but i do love myself!" "do you show yourself that as vehemently as you show everyone else how much you love them? hell, you cheat yourself in every deal you get into. if i were you, i'd be pretty pissed at you." i meant it as a joke, but i don't think she got it.) and in general, i find that i don't really want what they want to offer, and the price of being valuable to one another is so high that i'm not really interested. and i have a history of bad interactions with unhealthy 9s. damn ego-leeches. not that all 9s are bad. lots of good 9s out there. : isaac

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