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Enneagram Type 5 Board Archive Difference between 5 and 4Posted by JP on November 04, 2001 at 09:05:31: In Reply to: Re: So your belief is that it is impossible to type people. Okay - enjoy your self-imposed limitations. posted by Mikko on November 04, 2001 at 08:21:38: : Can someone please explain why there is a need, when posting a message like the one quoted below here, for that huge amount of words? It seems like a waste of everyone's time, most of all the poster's. [You are a 4, yes? Or maybe I'm mistaken. I'm going to go with that assumption for the remainder of this post. For me as a 5, describing or refuting something typically requires a lot of fine distinctions. Most of my posts have a lot of words, because for me to clarify my thoughts requires a lot of words. Also I am a fast typist, so writing a lot doesn't waste much of my time.] : Maybe it's just my perception. I've seen an exchange like the one here between JP and Emily about a hundred times and since the basic theme is always the same, each exchange looks precisely the same. [So if you are dissatisfied, why continue reading these types of posts? Why not stick to the 4 board where people typically don't elucidate things ad infinitum? To a 5, every point they make is full of exceptions and so a lot of qualifiers have to be added for "clarity".] : Another thing I really don't understand is this: The message begins with "Emily, you can certainly disagree with me; that is your prerogative" and ends with "I understand that a lot of my ideas may seem (or be) ridiculous, erroneous, or unacceptable to lots of other people. I accept that. However, if you find that to be the case, why bother posting at all?" [My point was that she is certainly welcome to disagree, but if that's the case, why bother posting? I was looking for feedback of an experiential nature to further clarify or repudiate my hypothesis; all Emily offered was her opinion coupled with a lot of theorizing. Certainly my postings are all self-serving; if I'm not trying to serve myself, then what in the hell am I posting for - to grace everyone with my amazing insights???] : It's as if people can't say what they really think in the beginning or then they change their opinion without realizing it. It makes talking with someone frustrating and I least I start doubting if the person making the comments knows what they are talking about in the first place. [I did not change my opinion; you misinterpreted what I was saying, which was: "Yes, you can disagree. But why bother posting if you do?" I think most of the debate on this board is worthless, in that it clarifies nothing for any of the parties involved, and few people seem to come away from the debates with any new information or perspective (although I personally have experienced some exceptions to this). It seems like generally it would be more useful to share *experience* on a given topic, and to point out things one *agrees* with at least as much as what one *disagrees* with. So...I agree with you that a lot of the exchanges are a complete waste of time. I agree that I am overly verbose, particularly I'm sure to a non-5. And, as I said, I agree that my posts are self-serving.]
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