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Enneagram Type 5 Board Archive Hi Pants!Posted by Emily [nt] on November 04, 2001 at 21:33:03: In Reply to: I did, in the message below. Say hi to Pants. [nt] posted by Mikko on November 04, 2001 at 19:13:18: : : : : [You are a 4, yes? Or maybe I'm mistaken. I'm going to go with that assumption for the remainder of this post. For me as a 5, describing or refuting something typically requires a lot of fine distinctions. Most of my posts have a lot of words, because for me to clarify my thoughts requires a lot of words. Also I am a fast typist, so writing a lot doesn't waste much of my time.] : : : --Your typing (Ennea-wise) skills are impressive. I can see that to you, personally/introvertedly, refuting something requres lots of fine distinctions. However, you are not really talking to yourself when talking to someone else. When you are refuting something and explaining the reasons to an outsider, it's much more effective if you're as concise as possible. People's ability to comprehend clear-cut messages is far greater than their willingness to go wade through lots of words. : : : : [So if you are dissatisfied, why continue reading these types of posts? Why not stick to the 4 board where people typically don't elucidate things ad infinitum? To a 5, every point they make is full of exceptions and so a lot of qualifiers have to be added for "clarity".] : : : --Most people who aren't Fives automatically understand that there are exceptions and qualifiers and such in points people make. That is, they don't assume that saying something without 'qualifying the answer for clarity' means you intend it to be 100% true in all circumstances. : : : : [My point was that she is certainly welcome to disagree, but if that's the case, why bother posting? I was looking for feedback of an experiential nature to further clarify or repudiate my hypothesis; all Emily offered was her opinion coupled with a lot of theorizing. Certainly my postings are all self-serving; if I'm not trying to serve myself, then what in the hell am I posting for - to grace everyone with my amazing insights???] : : : --So you are basically saying "You're welcome to give feedback if it's something I expect and accept, otherwise don't bother"? Feedback can be both positive and negative. And yes, sharing experiences and knowledge is a very valid reason for posting a message. I can see why it might be an unexpected outlook for a Five who is not used to being generous and sharing of resources. : : : : [I did not change my opinion; you misinterpreted what I was saying, which was: "Yes, you can disagree. But why bother posting if you do?"] : : : --The same question back to you reversed: Why not bother posting if you disagree? I think the point is to find something truthful and accurate, not letting people live in illusions of knowing something great when they seem to be wrong. : : : [I think most of the debate on this board is worthless, in that it clarifies nothing for any of the parties involved, and few people seem to come away from the debates with any new information or perspective (although I personally have experienced some exceptions to this). It seems like generally it would be more useful to share *experience* on a given topic, and to point out things one *agrees* with at least as much as what one *disagrees* with. So...I agree with you that a lot of the exchanges are a complete waste of time. I agree that I am overly verbose, particularly I'm sure to a non-5. And, as I said, I agree that my posts are self-serving.] : : : --Do you think you might learn something new if you were less verbose and tried to be more compatible with other types? Or about your messages being 'self-serving', do you think it's good or bad? : : :
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