please ignore the matt parallel messge - its messed up

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: : : I agree with this and went through similar reasoning. Incidentely, the word "pattern" is not actually used in the diagram - "object" is used. : : A pattern is a common feature of a group of objects. A pattern is not an object. The ability to find similarities in things that seem to be different is the ability to find patterns. : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx : I assure you that I am perfectly aware of what a pattern is. Believe it or not, I am also aware that a pattern is not the same as an object. : xxxxxxxxxxxxx : : : But I think that the diagram creator means something different - and this is what I am interested to find out - again, it seems to be a matter of terminology. : : : What is facinating me is: are there actually people who are so called "problem formulators" who are not good "problem solvers" - and vice versa. As you suggest, it would seem that they would have to share similar skills. Here's an interesting quote: : : : It is more important to do the right thing than to do things right. : : Because of certain enneagram types, I think that a lot of people would disagree with this. : xxxxxxxxxxx : So...what’s you point - you have anything more than wosey assed statements like this? : xxxxxxxxxxxxxx : : : Doing the right thing would seem a matter of problem formulation whereas doing things right would seem more a matter of problem solving. : : : I know several working people who, once you give them a well defined problem to solve, will solve that problem efficiently and effectively. But, if you give them a general goal, they will not know how to start and in what direction to go. Whereas there are those who are good at coming up with general strategy, who pehaps have the tendancy to get boged down in detail if they had to actualize this strategy. : : : Is this what the diagram creator is getting at? : : : Of course, if you excell at both than you are more powerfull than either one. : : : Still, how does all this tie into the similarities/differences issue? : : It doesn't. That is what I was saying; problem-solving and problem-creating has nothing to do with pattern-finding or difference-finding ability, because one must be good at one to be good at the other; they are two sides to the same process. This process can be called either pattern-finding OR difference-finding, but it is the same thing, ultimately; if you can see a pattern perfectly, you also must see where it does not work, and if you can see perfectly where patterns do not work, you also must be able to see where the differences do not exist and there is a pattern. : xxxxxxxxxxx : Sambersil....do you have anything new to add....if not, stop wasting my time. I repeat – I understand exactly your point and I do not disagree with it. I am mearly trying to explore the topic to learn more – and to try to find out what the author had in mind. I am still not totally certain what the author has in mind differentiation vs. integration? : You certainly have finely honed the skill of being completely irritating

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