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Posted by Sharlee on November 05, 2000 at 07:11:10:

In Reply to: Alert/Unconscious posted by Sambersil on November 04, 2000 at 18:48:50:

Dreams occur during rapid eye movement sleep (REM). If you wake someone up then, they will remember dreaming. I believe dreams are a mixture of memories, emotions, things that the subconscious is trying to work out and scarily the future. I have had a number of premonitionary dreams, unfortunately all bad (I wish I could dream the winner of a horse race or the lotto numbers) but clear enough for me to be convinced it was no coincidence. I have deduced that if I am upset about a particular thing that happens in a dream, then that belongs to me; however, if I dream about a similar bad thing un-emotionally, that has a high probablility of predicting the future (time frame is generally within 36 hours but may be a few weeks in advance). For example, a few years ago, I dreamt I was in a group and a message came from someone that my brother had had a heart attack. I felt I should go to him but felt no emotion. I was about to go and then someone said that it wasn't a heart attack but he had had an accident and that a stick had pierced his heart. I was disturbed on waking and I rang him the next day ( had not spoken to him for a few months) and he seemed a bit down. Later that week, he told me that all was not well with him and his girlfriend. The "heart attack" was not physical but emotional. I never worked out the accident bit but my guess was that since another girl was involved that it had been an accident that this had all happened and not predesigned. He subsequently broke up with his first girlfriend.

Another interesting thing is the synchronicity of dreams. My mother recently dreamt that her sister was in bed with her (as a family of 15, the girls used to share beds when children). A week later, her sister rang up and said you know I dreamt I was in bed with you last week. Neither could recall the exact night but they both thought it was about a week previously. Makes you wonder when you have an intimate dream about someone if they are also having the same dream. Scary stuff!!

Sharlee

They key to being alert is remembering what happens to you. The key to being unconscious is having no memory of what happens to you. When we sleep, we do not remember what happens to us, and therefore we are unconscious. Most of the pathways in our brain that are shut down during sleep probably deal with memory in some way, either in the recording of things or the getting of things to record.

: Are dreams just memories? Do we really experience the dreams or do we simply wake up with, as a side effect of our brains reorganizing themselves outside of our memories, certain pathways open that tell us that give us the memory of the dream?

: I realize that the second paragraph is a dumb question, philosophically speaking. Approach it from the point of view of science, just for the sake of interesting discussion.

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Re: Alert/Unconscious Sambersil 11:28:48 11/05/00 (3)
- Re: Alert/Unconscious Joerg 07:41:45 11/16/00 (0)
- Re: Alert/Unconscious Sharlee 07:02:39 11/06/00 (0)
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: Dreams occur during rapid eye movement sleep (REM). If you wake someone up then, they will remember dreaming. I believe dreams are a mixture of memories, emotions, things that the subconscious is trying to work out and scarily the future. I have had a number of premonitionary dreams, unfortunately all bad (I wish I could dream the winner of a horse race or the lotto numbers) but clear enough for me to be convinced it was no coincidence. I have deduced that if I am upset about a particular thing that happens in a dream, then that belongs to me; however, if I dream about a similar bad thing un-emotionally, that has a high probablility of predicting the future (time frame is generally within 36 hours but may be a few weeks in advance). For example, a few years ago, I dreamt I was in a group and a message came from someone that my brother had had a heart attack. I felt I should go to him but felt no emotion. I was about to go and then someone said that it wasn't a heart attack but he had had an accident and that a stick had pierced his heart. I was disturbed on waking and I rang him the next day ( had not spoken to him for a few months) and he seemed a bit down. Later that week, he told me that all was not well with him and his girlfriend. The "heart attack" was not physical but emotional. I never worked out the accident bit but my guess was that since another girl was involved that it had been an accident that this had all happened and not predesigned. He subsequently broke up with his first girlfriend. : Another interesting thing is the synchronicity of dreams. My mother recently dreamt that her sister was in bed with her (as a family of 15, the girls used to share beds when children). A week later, her sister rang up and said you know I dreamt I was in bed with you last week. Neither could recall the exact night but they both thought it was about a week previously. Makes you wonder when you have an intimate dream about someone if they are also having the same dream. Scary stuff!! : Sharlee : : They key to being alert is remembering what happens to you. The key to being unconscious is having no memory of what happens to you. When we sleep, we do not remember what happens to us, and therefore we are unconscious. Most of the pathways in our brain that are shut down during sleep probably deal with memory in some way, either in the recording of things or the getting of things to record. : : Are dreams just memories? Do we really experience the dreams or do we simply wake up with, as a side effect of our brains reorganizing themselves outside of our memories, certain pathways open that tell us that give us the memory of the dream? : : I realize that the second paragraph is a dumb question, philosophically speaking. Approach it from the point of view of science, just for the sake of interesting discussion.

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