Re: Existence of Israel

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> > > Most countries are exclusionary about what races or religions they allow within their borders; > > No fucking way. > [There are several hundred countries in the world, and most either tacitly or explicitly restrict their populations based upon particulars of religion and/or race. China & former Soviet Union: religion severely restricted. …Yes, all or some of these have some minority religious groups, but that is exactly the point: so long as they are a tiny minority everything's fine. …People like other people to be the same as them, and if they feel threatened by others differences they tend to get intolerant and violent pretty quickly.] > >> > > > Uh, ever heard of Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, etc.? There are a few hundred million arabs (a sizeable minority of the world's muslim population) who are emphatically *not* for the jews living in Israel, because they believe it is the land of the Palestinians, > > THIS IS THE HEART OF THE LIE! There's probably less than a million muslims on earth who want to eject all Jews from Israel. > > When you say Muslims want to eject Jews, you are lying. > [Dude, whatever. It would be easy to find some Arabic public opinion polls regarding this and point out that you don't know wtf you are ranting about, but I have no interest in doing so. If you're going to be so strident you ought to at least find some reference source to back up your opinion.] > >> > > There's a HUGE difference between saying "Jews don't have the right to have 100% control over the territory of Israel" and saying "Jews don't have the right to live there at all". The first view is held by everybody on earth outside America and only a few thousand Osama-loving nutcases believe in the second. > > Newsflash! Tolerance of Jews is a common thread throughout Muslim history. From Spain to Persia, Jews have lived peacefully in Muslim-dominated towns for a millenium. Contrast this with the Christian world's attitude towards non-Christians over the same period. > [Well I don't know what history exactly you are talking about; have you ever read the bible? The various semitic/arabic tribes decimated each other over and over fighting over that very land. Perhaps during the Ottoman empire what you are talking about took place, and if Israel hadn't been created and handed to the Jews then that would still be the case. But it isn't the case and so is not really relevant to the discussion.] > >>

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