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Enneagram Type 5 Board Archive Re: The usual: 5w4 or 4w5Posted by Denial (203.113.51.4) on January 13, 2003 at 19:32:52: In Reply to: The usual: 5w4 or 4w5 posted by interlocking (63.249.99.95) on January 11, 2003 at 06:07:22: Hello, I know what you're going through. There are a few of ways you might be able to figure this out. Try them and see if they help. In no particular order: - review basic fear and basic desires (have already been posted by others in this thread). - relationship to parents: 4s disconnected from both, 5s ambivalent towards both. difficult to figure this out if, like me, you have a strong 4 wing. But it can help move you towards your enneagram home. - talk style: 4s tell epic tales and their stories and are filled with what a 5 wold find irrelevant detail (is it *really necessary* to say that you hung up' the phone after you said bye?). 5s offer dissertations (usually after taking a deep breath and starting with "there are a few reasons why this is/is not...") - problem solving: 4s tend to find problems amusing and quirky, 5s find them generally annoying and therefore must either solve them away (6 wing) or reframe them so that they aren't problems anymore (4 wing) - this one is usaly the clincher: idiosyncracy. The word itself. A 4 being called idiosyncratic would be flattered in some respect; it is a difference, it sets them apart, even if it makes them peculiar. A 5 would want to make sure 2 fundamental things before being flattered: 1) does this make me look foolish and/or stupid, and 2) *does this interfere with my ability to understand something*. - 5s tend to look at issues and see numerous factors. that is why they can take problems apart without destroying the whole (comparmentalizing). 4s don't have the natural desire to want to do this, even though they may have the ability. the find deconstructing, generally, cold and robotic. Based entirely on what you've written, I think you're a 5 because you have integrated an understanding of the world with an understanding of yourself; you see them as the same overall thing. I think a 4 would be much more inclined to link the two; to see them as related, but not one and the same pursuit. Asking a 5 to separate an understanding of themself from an understanding of the world-at-large would be like asking one to turn gray back into black and white; 5s can't conceive of doing this, but I think a 4 could, and a flair and elegance that would leave the 5 wondering how someone could take such an intuitive leap and not care, or in fact relish, being called illogical. good luck!
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