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Expand on overuse of Enneagram please! NT

Expand on overuse of Enneagram please! NT

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Posted by Tiggy on November 28, 1999 at 12:55:02:

In Reply to: Typing pitfalls posted by Ronnie on November 28, 1999 at 08:08:35:

> > Ha ha, that's an interesting one. Once I had a discussion with someone who's also interested in the Enneagram and we mentioned a reowned Buddhist monk. My friend said that he's a Nine. I have an impression of most people who apply the Enneagram tend to go for reductionistic conclusion based on the most surface and superficial description of the Enneagram, e.g. the Buddhist monk strives to come up with a non-voilent solution of his country's political problem, and he talks a great deal of compassion and so on, so that he must be a Nine; someone else talks of abstract concepts that he has no personal experiences with and he observes a lot, so that he must be a Five and so on. I have problem with that as I kinda believe that there's some kinda universal things, some kinda "axioms" that actually go beyond personality differences, people who overuses the Enneagram tends to "reduce" these things and treat them as mere ideological views that are hold by certain "types" of people, that can easily create a blind point...

> Ronnie: This is something that hasn't been discussed here and is a very important issue. I'm not about to start telling my view, because it's precisely the same what's above.

>
> > Monks' banning of sexual desires is a classical example of how things can get stereotyped by different types of discourses, e.g. Freudian mechanical eroticism. Men always wanna put everthing. We can do similiar sort of stereotyping things with the Enneagram. If we overuse it or use it only on the superficial level and we'll continue to miss the points.

> Ronnie: Read the last two sentences, there's an important truth there.

> > This is not strictly a followup to TF's original posting, ha ha, excuse me. I just wanna bring it up for discussion.

> Ronnie: Well done!

> Ronnie

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Re: Expand on overuse of Enneagram please! Ronnie 15:31:09 11/28/99 (12)
- Widely but not specifically - examples requested. 'Unpack' rather than 'expand' if you like. NT Tiggy. 18:31:45 11/28/99 (11)
  - Overuse of the enneagram Ronnie 13:18:50 11/29/99 (1)
    - An Example Koji Tamaki 01:13:43 12/01/99 (0)
  - Watch it Tiggs - there are ennea-police around ! Eric 05:08:13 11/29/99 (8)
    - What's your MBTI type? I haven't figured out mine yet Ronnie 07:17:33 11/29/99 (7)
      - Re: What's your MBTI type? I haven't figured out mine yet INFP 5w4 10:10:24 11/29/99 (6)
        
        Eric, you should have just pretended you were being satirical ! NT Tiggy. 15:45:03 11/29/99 (5)
        
        A good idea! Ronnie 16:39:54 11/29/99 (4)
        
        I take it that comment was satirical itself! (text for once) Tiggy. 20:25:02 11/29/99 (3)
        
        Re: I take it that comment was satirical itself! (text for once) Ronnie 03:49:04 11/30/99 (1)
        
        Never heard a nine being contemptuous. Fives are the most. NT Tiggy. 22:11:14 11/30/99 (0)
        
        Re: I take it that comment was satirical itself! (text for once) Eric, moi 01:31:32 11/30/99 (0)

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> > > Ha ha, that's an interesting one. Once I had a discussion with someone who's also interested in the Enneagram and we mentioned a reowned Buddhist monk. My friend said that he's a Nine. I have an impression of most people who apply the Enneagram tend to go for reductionistic conclusion based on the most surface and superficial description of the Enneagram, e.g. the Buddhist monk strives to come up with a non-voilent solution of his country's political problem, and he talks a great deal of compassion and so on, so that he must be a Nine; someone else talks of abstract concepts that he has no personal experiences with and he observes a lot, so that he must be a Five and so on. I have problem with that as I kinda believe that there's some kinda universal things, some kinda "axioms" that actually go beyond personality differences, people who overuses the Enneagram tends to "reduce" these things and treat them as mere ideological views that are hold by certain "types" of people, that can easily create a blind point... > > Ronnie: This is something that hasn't been discussed here and is a very important issue. I'm not about to start telling my view, because it's precisely the same what's above. > > > > > Monks' banning of sexual desires is a classical example of how things can get stereotyped by different types of discourses, e.g. Freudian mechanical eroticism. Men always wanna put everthing. We can do similiar sort of stereotyping things with the Enneagram. If we overuse it or use it only on the superficial level and we'll continue to miss the points. > > Ronnie: Read the last two sentences, there's an important truth there. > > > This is not strictly a followup to TF's original posting, ha ha, excuse me. I just wanna bring it up for discussion. > > Ronnie: Well done! > > Ronnie

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