Re: Enneagram as core

Posted by Derf on December 30, 1999 at 01:42:29:

In Reply to: Re: Enneagram as core posted by Morgan on December 29, 1999 at 14:58:14:

> Pardon my confused 3-ness.

> According to this, that means that our core personality is not a set of traits, but a fundamental need for love?

I like how you throw the word "fundamental" in there, like a savvy debate student. Making your statements more "forceful" - for instance, by using such verbal filler as "fundamental" and "crucial" - is always a good way to cover cloudiness, ambiguity, metaphysical nonsense, and basic meaninglessness.

Let's see... "NOT" a set of traits, "BUT" a need for love? Well, the traits that arise from a need for love... uh... they arise from a need for love. And the traits that DON'T arise from the need for love... uh, well, they DON'T arise from the need for love.

And why "a need for love?" Why not something else? In any case, how can "traits" contest with *any* sort of need for the distinction of "core personality?" Do you believe that traits can *constitute* a "core personality?" That they can exist without motivations? Traits have to arise from some motivation, don't they? Unless, of course, you're speaking of traits that arise from glitches in the brain that cause one to display unexplainable obsessions and compulsions.

> Then why are the needs for love so different?

Then why are the needs for love so different from what? Different from the needs for love that are NOT needs for love? You'll have to fill me in here. And keep in mind that you seem to be talking about "fundamental" needs for love. What's the variation within that?

> And how does this fit in with Maslow's pyramid of self-actualization. (Survival, not love, is labeled as the most fundamental need there, I think.)

I'm not one who's interested in fitting every damn idea together. But I can conveniently repeat myself, because that will more than answer the question: once again, your enneatype might expound upon some of the finer points of the "whys" and "whats" of your need for love, survival, self-actualization, blah blah blah, and your M-B type might expound more upon the "hows" of same - your modus operandi, one might say. Survival is a basic instinct, but from there upward on the pyramid, we become gradually more individualistic. Yes, *gradually more*. And our M-B and ennea-types bear gradually more on us. That sounds good. What do you think?

Seeya later,

Derf, 4w3

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