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Posted by Jason on February 01, 2000 at 11:04:19:

In Reply to: A path to excellence, make clear my point posted by Laurence on January 31, 2000 at 05:21:59:

> What's my motivation in posting that :

> We have all been hurt more than ones by people are of a different types than ours.
> I personaly found that a good, elegant and efficient way to work out of those negative inprints generating strong subconscious fear of being hurt again ( for that creates a strong compultion to "judge" in order to protect ourselves )is to get to know well and love ( no romance, just genuine feelings) evolved representatives of the types "critical" to us. I have applied it to myself in the case of 8's : in the past, I had shared a few years of my life with a unhealthy, prone to violence 8, and that did some subconscious damage to me. Yet, getting to become a close friend with an evolved genuine 8 has healed it and also tremendiously helped me integrate that part of myself.I also have a very healthy, human 6 friend coaching me on that part too, so damned helpful...

> Yet, this type of very powerful "learning through modelising" requires some prerequisites : we only learn if we can "identify" with our model. It is like reading a good novel where the caracters are so neatly described that we get caught in it and can't help but love them, this is the way it works... That is why I asked for references of autobiographies or in depth interviews. And most Enneagram books mention names for the sole purpose of illustrating the type, a lot of those names refer to rather unheathy people and there is not most of the time any available information about them ( auto biographies or interviews). Biographies writen by some one else won't work for the purpose of modelising.
> Thank you anyway for your infos.

Hey L! Here's my list:

1 -
2 -
3 - Anthony Robbins, "Awaken the Giant Within"
4 - Stephen Covey (?), "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People"
5 - Ken Wilber, "Grace and Grit"; Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil"
6 - Krishnamurti
7 - Dr. Seuss, "Cat in the Hat" :)
8 - Gurdjieff (Palmer says he's an 8), "Meetings with Remarkable Men"
9 -

I also recommend "Are You the One for Me?" by Barbara DeAngelis, "Travels" by Michael Crichton, "Virus of the Mind" by Richard Brodie, "Genius" by James Gleick, and "EST - Playing the Game the New Way" by Carl Frederick

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> > What's my motivation in posting that : > > We have all been hurt more than ones by people are of a different types than ours. > > I personaly found that a good, elegant and efficient way to work out of those negative inprints generating strong subconscious fear of being hurt again ( for that creates a strong compultion to "judge" in order to protect ourselves )is to get to know well and love ( no romance, just genuine feelings) evolved representatives of the types "critical" to us. I have applied it to myself in the case of 8's : in the past, I had shared a few years of my life with a unhealthy, prone to violence 8, and that did some subconscious damage to me. Yet, getting to become a close friend with an evolved genuine 8 has healed it and also tremendiously helped me integrate that part of myself.I also have a very healthy, human 6 friend coaching me on that part too, so damned helpful... > > Yet, this type of very powerful "learning through modelising" requires some prerequisites : we only learn if we can "identify" with our model. It is like reading a good novel where the caracters are so neatly described that we get caught in it and can't help but love them, this is the way it works... That is why I asked for references of autobiographies or in depth interviews. And most Enneagram books mention names for the sole purpose of illustrating the type, a lot of those names refer to rather unheathy people and there is not most of the time any available information about them ( auto biographies or interviews). Biographies writen by some one else won't work for the purpose of modelising. > > Thank you anyway for your infos. > Hey L! Here's my list: > 1 - > 2 - > 3 - Anthony Robbins, "Awaken the Giant Within" > 4 - Stephen Covey (?), "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" > 5 - Ken Wilber, "Grace and Grit"; Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil" > 6 - Krishnamurti > 7 - Dr. Seuss, "Cat in the Hat" :) > 8 - Gurdjieff (Palmer says he's an 8), "Meetings with Remarkable Men" > 9 - > I also recommend "Are You the One for Me?" by Barbara DeAngelis, "Travels" by Michael Crichton, "Virus of the Mind" by Richard Brodie, "Genius" by James Gleick, and "EST - Playing the Game the New Way" by Carl Frederick

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