Re: Telling 3 from 7 - continued

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: : : : : : : Bear in mind that the Enneagram sins are slightly different from what they are in ordinary English. : : : : Seven Gluttony refers to a hunger for new experiences, not so much excessive eating and drinking. : : : : (The type most likely to engage in excessive eating and drinking is Eight). : : : : Three Deceit refers to trying to be what is socially admirable rather than what is authentic, and not : : : : necessarily to a tendency to tell lies. (IMHO the type most likely to tell lies is actually Seven.) : : : : I personally think that Deceit is a very bad name for the Three sin and prefer Vanity or Vainglory. : : When you talk about 7 lie-s do you mean owertelling and : : bluffing making a funny story out of what you would call nothing ? : : And when talking about 3 lie-s do you you mean making a chicken out of : : nothing when the seven makes chicken-s out of eggs ? : : Or are you talking on a more general level ? : : : : : : : Is this "hunger for new experiences" equivalent to "boredom with existing : : : reality"? I have often been accused of losing interest in things. Would daydreaming : : : about a better place to live, a better job, better friends be a Sevenish trait? : : Absolutly a 7 trait and when you say you loose intrest in old things I guess : : it's because you move over to new more exiting things to to ! : : That way it's a hunger for new experiences. : : : One problem I have typing myself as a Seven is that I don't party, or eat a : : : lot, or search for sensation in this escapist way... : : Could mean you are healthy. : : I belive the sensations the seven seek is the best of everything, meaning : : if you eat you buy the best ice-cream not the cheapest, going to a resturant : : you choose a good one not a very cheap one and so on...If you drives : : in the car because you are going to a meeting far away you make : : sure you have your favorite music, and some goodies.... : : : : You say's you are an ENTP. I am and I have placed myself at 7w8. : : So it would be very intresting to hear your conclusion. Everything you : : say you do there I do. : : What you could call "comfort eating" is very appealing to me. That's : : a way of getting in contact with my inferior IS. : : If you are pretty unhealthy (who's not ?) eating, sex, new experiences..You name it... : : Would probably control you more than you could control them...:) : : That way I belive (hello Walter) that there is a link between what inferior : : IS and the 7 sin (hate the word sin) gluttony. But's that's only my opinion : : and should not be taken to seriously... : *************************************************************** : New Comment: I just saw this mesage and your "hello walter" : I agree 100 percent plus some! : IS and the 7 sin of gluttony sure are related. This is how I model it on the Geldart Enneagram of Consciousness. : Point Seven has structure of Jungian functions of consciousness. : Enneagram Point Seven has a dominant extraverted side : : Dominant.............................Auxiliary : Personality 1 side...................Personality 2 side : Extraversion (outward attention).....Introverted (inward attention) : Persona Side.........................Shadow Side : 1st sensation(Se or ES) ...........5th sensation (Si or IS) : 2nd thinking(Te or ET).............6th thinking (Ti or IT) : 3rd feeling (Fe or EF).............7th feeling (Fi or IF) : 4th intuition (Ne or EN)...........8th intuition(Ni or IN) : So Seven's gluttony (in the 7-8-3 Agressive id Hornevian Triad) is first sees behaviorally as an overuse of the extraverted sensation function. : BUt you can see that it is motivated on the Shadow side by introverted sensation. : Jung said that it is easier for the Seven (with dominant Se) to be aware in consciousness of inferior introverted intuition (Ni-9)- because it is a free ride. But Seven while placing full attention on that beer in the bar, and imagining one more for the road - is ignoring the Shadow Si-8. Eventually, in the limit Seven is dead drunk, no control (lousy Si functioning), and maybe dead in ahead-on collision. So the Hornevian Triad shows that the 7-8-3 track works as a whole triad. More beer to taste is 3-7, less sense of control in lifting beer mug is 8-3. Collision with a tree is a messd up face at 3 - A backed-up Persona. It all hangs together! : ************************************************************ : : It's also logical that a 7w8 would get a high 3 score. So my guess would be that you are : : an 7w8. You could keep in mind that you don't do partying and eating is posetive, : : and probably indicates that you are not completly controlled by your inferior : : sensing. : : If you aren't a 3w4... : *********** : New Comment: walter : Interesting things go on in the 3-7-8 Triad. It is the most grounded of all the triads. After all, both Seven and Eight are sensation functions that monitor reality outside and inside the body. And Three moves to get lunch, or a cold beer for Seven and Eight. : A redness of face can show on a Seven for that reason, because of Eight being in their Shadow side but on the same level as extraverted sensation. : A heavy Seven would have a Shadow Eight. : A Dominant Eight will also show red - when they are "seeing" red and ready to fight it out. A Dominant Four with superior extraverted intuition will AUTOMATICALLY have Si or IS.A red face in the heart triad would be sadness, or blushing from embarresment. :

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