Re: Telling 3 from 7 - continued

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: : : New Comment: I just saw this mesage and your "hello walter" : : I agree 100 percent plus some! : : IS and the 7 sin of gluttony sure are related. This is how I model it on the Geldart Enneagram of Consciousness. : : Point Seven has structure of Jungian functions of consciousness. : : Enneagram Point Seven has a dominant extraverted side : : : : Dominant.............................Auxiliary : : Personality 1 side...................Personality 2 side : : Extraversion (outward attention).....Introverted (inward attention) : : Persona Side.........................Shadow Side : : 1st sensation(Se or ES) ...........5th sensation (Si or IS) : : 2nd thinking(Te or ET).............6th thinking (Ti or IT) : : 3rd feeling (Fe or EF).............7th feeling (Fi or IF) : : 4th intuition (Ne or EN)...........8th intuition(Ni or IN) : I find your chart a bit mixed up with impossible combinations (if we buy : MBTI). Enough about that... : : So Seven's gluttony (in the 7-8-3 Agressive id Hornevian Triad) is first sees behaviorally as an overuse of the extraverted sensation function. : : BUt you can see that it is motivated on the Shadow side by introverted sensation. : : Jung said that it is easier for the Seven (with dominant Se) to be aware in consciousness of inferior introverted intuition (Ni-9)- because it is a free ride. But Seven while placing full attention on that beer in the bar, and imagining one more for the road - is ignoring the Shadow Si-8. Eventually, in the limit Seven is dead drunk, no control (lousy Si functioning), and maybe dead in ahead-on collision. So the Hornevian Triad shows that the 7-8-3 track works as a whole triad. More beer to taste is 3-7, less sense of control in lifting beer mug is 8-3. Collision with a tree is a messd up face at 3 - A backed-up Persona. It all hangs together! : : ************************************************************ : As mentioned before I see a link between the enneagram and MBTI. In oposite : to some others I don't belive in a absolute link, but I think there is a high : colleration rate between the two systems. : To me there seems to be some MBTI types there are easy to confuse. Infact : every function can be quite easy to confuse. : Walter I do guess you agree with all I have written above. : Here comes the tricky part. : If we talk of MBTI types that fit into enneagramnumbers, I think your stereotyped : connection is wrong (supported by my EN ), and that you makes the matters more complicated than : nescecarry. No matter how mutch I twist it I can't get your link's to fit : with my mind. : As written in my previos post, I belive in a link between suprior and inferior : MBTI function and a person's enneagram number. : One of these link's I see in type seven. : To start with the dominant and posetive (stereotype) function EN. : Optimism and a view towards the future (some even live in the future like me) : Curiosity : Inferior (stereotype) function that can be destructive, IS. : Gluttony (getting in toutch with the inferior IS ) : Pain Representing the hypersensetive IS, and the way from pleasure : (often gluttony) to pain is short. Two different kind's of ice-creams : can represent this. : : To take the oposite of this... : Dominant IS, : Pessimism and a view backwards (living in the past). : Inferior EN : kick's in a fatalistic way telling "worst case scenarios". : In oposite to you : I think this worst case scenarios is a result of inferior EN and not ET : as you have in yout theory (since you place inferior ET at 6). : So if we fit worst case scenarios and pessimism to enneatype 6, I belive : the dominant and inferor function's of type six often are as I have written : above. : Something I miss from you is a logical explanation of the way you adress : certain MBTI functions at certain enneanumbers. You just makes a statement : that 7 is ES. But when did a dominant ES start to look like optimism and : a look towards the future ? : Or how can we explain the colorful inner world of many fours with : EN ? : I could ask questions like that on all the numbers (exept 2 and 5 where we agree), : but I have the impression that I am stuck and getting nowhere trying to : discuss this with you. : : To all of you...I know my argument's are pretty general and not so very well : formulated, but there is a question about how mutch time this discussion is worth.

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