Posted by walter on June 26, 1998 at 12:01:48:
In Reply to: Moving and Feeling - Using the 3-7-8 Hornevian Triad posted by walter on June 26, 1998 at 11:59:35:
: Moving and Feeling in the Hornevian 3-7-8 Moving Against Triad
: Quote from: "Somatics: Reawakening the Mind's Control of Movement, Flexibility, and Health", Thomas Hanna, Addison Wesley, 1988,
: I would like to explore this subject - so I offer these quotes from Hanna - just to get the conversation going. There have been many recent messages about these points by themselves. Maybe Hanna can give us some more insight!
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: "When he first came to me, Barney could not properly control the muscles of his trunk and pelvis - which was motor deficiency - and could not properly sense what these muscles were doing with his body - which was a sensory deficiency. Both problems relate to the central nervous system, that is, the brain and the spinal cord, which is the overall system that controls the body.
: "When we look at the central nervous system, we see that the most fundamental aspect of it that it has, both structurally and functionally, two divisions: a sensory division and a motor division. From the brain down the spine to the tailbone, the sensory nerves emerge from the back side of the spine and the motor nerves emerge from the front" [page 5]
: "Everything we sense in the world outside our bodies and everything we sense inside our bodies comes into out brain by way of the sensory nerves. Everything that we do in the world and every movement we make flows out of our brain down the spine by way of our motor nerves.' [page 6]
: "In contemporary neurophysiological science, the ongoing interplay of sensory information and motor guidance is referred to as a "feedback system" operating in loops. The sensory nerves "feed back" information to the motor nerves, whose response "loops back" with movement commands along the motor nerves. As movement takes place, the motor nerves "feed back" new information to the sensory nerves about the position of the hand. This feedback loop continues its exchange of information until the hand and fingers touch the page and turn it." [page 7}
: My Comment:
: It seem to me that the Triangle of Points Three-Seven-Eight can model the sensory-motor functions that Hanna speaks about. Riso assigns Freudian "id" drives to each of these Points and calls the set of three points "The Hornevian MOVING AGAINST or AGGRESSIVE Triad". Ouspensky's instinctive or learned moving functions seem to map to Points 3-7-8 quite well.
: Dr. Hanna could see from the patient's (Barney) own Persona and physical learned moving functions (their lack of correct moving) that something was not OK with Barney. Barney's actual feedback physiological sensory information may be picked-up by Jungian psychological sensation functions of extraverted sensation and introverted sensation. The Jungian sensation functions of consciousness receive information from soma.
: One might go so far as to suggest that if 3-7-8 do not work together as an orderly process, then a fixation of neurology (stuck muscles, back ache, stomach ache, for example) and a fixation of psychological type might be correlated with each other.
: Any comments on this?