Posted by Morpheus on May 30, 2000 at 15:56:22:
In Reply to: Objective Art posted by Gigi on May 30, 2000 at 02:52:52:
> I read the link given by Eric to an excerpt from a book by Ouspensky, on Gurdjieff's thoughts, rather belief, on Objective and Subjective Art. And I have been discussing it with some people here, artists and non-artists, but all the same educated, cultured people. I shall keep on bringing it up in many more circles.
> This idea of Objective Art is new to me, as well as to the people around me. I am not going to deny it; I am trying to understand.
> I don't think I will be able to understand it wholly in the same way I cannot visualize the curved space of Einstein nor the non-locality of quantum physics. In my head time is still linear whereas it is a dimension in space-time matrix.
> Although these concepts are impossible to comprehend in our macro-world where everything seems to work by Newton's Laws, they are not unacceptable. We can feel that they are true. The same way I get a feeling of the endlessness of the Universe when I see it as the surface of a balloon.
> So I liken the discussion of Objective Art to a discussion of New Science, to one of God, The Ultimate Truth, The Whole, One, Tao.
> I believe that God, The Ultimate Truth, The Laws That Govern All, exists beyond the Space-Time Continuum, beyond the Big Bang. In the same way, I believe that The Objective Art must exist beyond the illusionary world we live in right now. Does Gurdjieff grasp the meaning of Objective Art? (Leave alone, us the Enneagrammers on these boards) Maybe! He says The Sphinx is an example. The statue of Zeus. ??!! Maybe! This is like the Mystics who have had visions of God and the Universal Energy. Maybe! I believe in the Universal Energy, the interconnectedness of everything, but I cannot visualize it.
> My feeling is that Nature itself is the Objective Art, the art of God. (God here is not Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc.) Look at the human being, the cheetah, the bird, the oceans, the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls. Mona Lisa or the Sphinx may not address the humble Anatolian guy in her village, but nature in all its forms will because in accordance with Gurdjieff's description Nature is objective.