Re: Counterphobics

Posted by Andy on August 13, 1998 at 00:56:20:

In Reply to: Re: Counterphobics posted by Sol on August 12, 1998 at 17:11:36:

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: : I guess this is my shadow, ISFJ, six, and not a two.

: : I guess I would not last very long with her at the top, I would probably
: : quit.

: : I just can't understand how a person like that can get a leader job,
: : she really can't be good for the company's growth (if it is a company).

: : By the way, what kind of boss is she and how many people's does she manage ?

: I am pretty sure she is an ENFJ. She thinks she is an ENTP, which is a joke. Based on numerous examples of her behavior, how she makes decisions, and my belief that I am omniscient, she is quite J and quite F.

ENFJ-s is going to feel a certain attraction towards ENTP-s while ENTP-s
is going to feel a anti-attraction. But the way you have presented her I can't
believe she’s an ENFJ. she must be an SJ, meaning ESFJ since you think she's extroverted.

ESFJ-s in opposite of an ENTP got EN as a third function so she could be
confusing this with her dominant feeling function. There also is a certain
similarity between ESFJ-s and ENTP-s, because when I'm into writing like this
it's like I’m stuck in a seller mode, so if I can go into a seller mode, I
guess she can go into a inventor mode. It's like I can present my ENTP
mind in an ESFJ filter sometimes.

: Here's the grain of salt to take with all this--she actually does have some good leadership traits. I really only listed traits that are negative. What happens is there is a dynamic that happens between her and me that other people (who are more like her) might not experience, though most of the employees find her somewhat difficult. I am a 5 with a big fat 4 wing, also INTP. I generally do not enjoy having a boss.

INTP you, ESFJ your shadow...But you have guessed her as an ENFJ meaning you might not go so bad along with her ?

By the way to rule out ENTP with your eye’s just look at her desk and working room. If it’s usually a clean place, and not a big mess, she’s not an ENTP.... By the way, if you told her that, what would she say ?

: I am not in this job for the long haul. It is quite painful. The only reason I have not quit yet is this: guess what happened the last time I quit a job--I just landed in this one, which was worse. So I am working on a plan and trying to figure out what I need in terms of a healthy environment, and sucking down the St. John's wrote for now so I don't boil over and find myself standing on top of my desk, screaming obscenities, and threatening to take hostages in the video conferencing room.

: How this boss got into a management position: she started as a one-person department back when the company was much smaller. It grew, and by seniority she now has six people under her. The second-in-command is a friend of hers from outside of work with no prior experience in the field, which does little for the morale of the rest of the group. There is so much more wrong, but I'm boring myself. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is indeed classic Corporate America, AKA Wonderland, where things don't make a whole lot of sense and "ethics" and "merit" have little to do with "success."

Follow Ups:

• Re: Counterphobics Sol 11:33:21 8/13/98 (4)
  • Re: Counterphobics Andy 08:38:37 8/14/98 (3)
    • Re: Counterphobics Ralf 19:07:09 8/17/98 (0)
    • Re: Counterphobics Sol 11:34:24 8/17/98 (1)
      • Re: Counterphobics Andy 17:56:55 8/17/98 (0)

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