Posted by Sol on August 13, 1998 at 11:33:21:
In Reply to: Re: Counterphobics posted by Andy on August 13, 1998 at 00:56:20:
: But the way you have presented her I can't
: believe she’s an ENFJ. she must be an SJ, meaning ESFJ since you think she's extroverted.
Wow, I think she is indeed an ESFJ, which makes more sense for a probable 6. I had only thought ENFJ because she had said she was ENTP, and T and P were obviously wrong, but I hadn't even thought about the S/N dichotomy and didn't believe she'd miss 3 out of 4. Also, she often says things that an N might say. But I just checked an M-B reference to refresh my understanding of S/N, and her core actions are certainly S. She truly fits the nurturing, duty-minded profile of ESFJs. (Plus, I have often said she is my exact opposite--how could I have missed that?)
I think she just WANTS to be N (and T, and P), same way she WANTS to be a 9. This is interesting to me because her sidekick at work seems to be INFX and fits the textbook profile of the 9. And Boss reveres this other person. It's like she's figured out which traits she values and says she's that type, even if she doesn't have those values herself. Or she convinces herself she does. I think the ENTP type is great, too, but that doesn't make me an extravert.
: By the way to rule out ENTP with your eye’s just look at her desk and working room. If it’s usually a clean place, and not a big mess, she’s not an ENTP.... By the way, if you told her that, what would she say ?
You can't tell her anything if it's different from what she's already decided. Like I said, she is not open to changing her mind and will come up with any shred of evidence that supports her original conclusion, even if all other evidence points to a different conclusion. Plus, it would sound pretty bad coming from an obvious INTP to tell someone I think they're ESFJ.