Re: Wing-type dilemma

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: : Kronus; Yeah, I admit to a poor word choice. My inference was that thinking : : and feeling about something is not the same as being that something, i.e., : : embodying 'it' viscerally. Pausing to ponder a concept or reflecting on feelings : : about an action is not the same as being the concept or action. An example : : is feeling angry and being angry. Thinking/doing angry things versus being : : angry. My limited knowledge or fours and movement leads me to believe that : : a four might think they are mad or might feel that they are mad without actually : : being mad in a visceral way that becomes an action response. (substitute : : some other emotion for angry if you want.) Four does not become one, they : : "own" the thought and feeling in a gut sense that can lead to responsible : : action. I am not implying fours think/feel happy,sad,mad,'fraid when they are not; : : rather, that when they think/feel happy,sad,mad,'fraid they may not be experiencing : : or embodying the thought/feeling. That's why we do not always know the inner : : state of a four much to their amazement and consternation. : : The Koan part ( I acknowledge poor choice of words again) referred not : : to the going/moving aspect of arrow direction. Rather that reflecting on the phrase : : was counterproductive. There is no answer to "being," there is only : : "being." I do not think that there is an answer to the sound of one : : hand clapping or the weight of a turtle's hair. Hoping for an answer, i.e., : : the "sound" or the "weight" would miss the point, I believe. So would : : waiting for the right thought or feeling to arrive so oneness would be experienced. : : I know little about Zen, and actually deleted the posting in my frustration over : : my malfuctioning PC/ software. I am surprised it made it to the BB. I : : do stand by my opinion that the antidote to most fixations requires getting : : outside the box for that type. Using the fixation as the antidote is : : using the fixation. Not using the fixation is counterintuitive, ego-alien, : : diffferent, or some other more precise term. I am an NT and while my : : analogies are always wonderful to me, I realize others do not buy into my : : hubris. Sigh(4,) or rather, who cares(9.) : I don't quite get what you're saying about the difference between feeling and being. As I see it, there is certainly a difference between FEELING angry (or some other emotion) and ACTING angry. But to me, feeling angry IS being angry. Displaying this externally is something else, and maybe it is part of your "being", but just because someone can't look at me an tell that I'm angry, doesn't mean that I'm not angry. : I will say that I do agree with your second paragraph, that thinking about being is not truly being. And this does show up as a problem for 4's (and others too I'm sure) as not living in the moment, but always looking at the past and towards the future. But I don't think this really applies to the anger example--it's not a case of thinking that you're angry instead of being angry. I can become angry without thinking about it, and just because I don't punch out the first person I see, doesn't mean that I'm not really being angry. And if I was in fact thinking about being angry, then I would not be angry. : I hope I made some sense here; it seems that one or both of us will need to clarify what we're trying to say. : - Hal -

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