Posted by Perciever on September 30, 1998 at 14:06:27:
In Reply to: Re: Riso's Star Personality posted by JWS on September 30, 1998 at 01:03:21:
: Wasn't "OJ" a 3w2? Wasn't he also STRESSED!! Can you think of other examples? Samuel BUNDY?? I thought Threes usually revert to manipulative means rather than to hysteria and rage. Don't they disassociate under stress in effect creating added defense mechanisms to thwart intense repressed/unconscious emotional trauma with potential MPD manifestations. As the three follows "disintegration (d)" the conscious state, while endeavoring to control loses, controls and alters by "switching" either through disassociative or nondisassociative means, e.g., Clinton(?).
***Apparantly he was. He dissaossicated to nine. The blank, empty eyes.
***Myers-Briggs orientations must be figured in with an enneagram type. For example, I've know three 4w3's - an INFP, ENFP, ENFJ. They all had the 4 characteristics, but thier personalities were definately like the myers-briggs personality descriptions as well.
***Well my own experiences seeing 3w2 in action is they can be very hostile and nasty to those less powerful then they, but to those with more status they 'kiss up'. As a six, I have no tolerance for unhealthy 3 B.S. I can see right through it. Fours and 1w2 seem to be better manipulators than 3's because they will dwell on something, whereas 3's strike and then are off pursuing another goal. 8's of course are the best manipulators because they go ofter the essentials. If a four or three can ruin a reputation, an 8 can control property, security and fundamental necessiites of life.
: Now, what about a disintegrating three with a high thrust at six?
*** Not sure what this means?
: What can the spouse do other than follow my former mentor, Scot Peck's, "People of the Lie" crap or revisit Whitfield's book, "Boundaries," and grieve his inverted bell curve illustration depicting dysfunctional behavior...and wait until the 3w2's "living process" bottoms-out reducing one to psychopatheticness... before new explorations toward spirtuality?
***One can use the enneagram to press sore spots. One can also use it to build someone up. Lest we try and solve all problems with the enneagram lets remember respect, dignity and honor are the rights of every human being, and if those are being violated action must be taken.
: Who else can see the depth of the (d)threes problem except the spouse, the only one they will let close enough to occasionally reveal themselves too. That occasional glimpse of "honesty," only too quickly to wither and become the shadow of fear, again.
***If a three has a bad problem, they probably have a mental scar from their mother, or early in life nurturing figure. They need to resolve this.
: Others see the "motivator," the "achiever," the "Super Hero!" The spouse, the "Victim," the systems, "scapecoat?" In the eyes of society, their are no dysfunctional, disintegrating threes! Why? Because, they mirror us, our culture, our society. It is their image, their facade that we idolize. Threes...hope & virtue? Spouses...hang-on for dear life!!
***Look at Clinton, he gets out of situations that would sink others. Of course he creates these situations also.
***ONly self awareness and a desire to change can get an unhealthy three out of their hell.